.......Whenever i talk to her about anything she thinks I'm being negative. for example........ and before you know it it was 10pm. my wife walks up to me with her gym clothes on and informs me that she is going to work out. I get irritated ......

Hey Tom,

It took my husband and I almost a year before we were back to "normal". The program uses indoctrination to implant the PSI "concepts". This can lead to some strange behavior.

Negativitiy is a really weird concept in PSI. I've heard the phrase "you're just being negative" so often from PSI people. My husband had a huge phobia about "being negative" for a long time. He could not express his real feelings for quite a while. I had a similar problem and it led both of us to a kind of phony positivity display of attitude as if that was going to really change our lives for the better. It took a while to be accepting of genuine feelings and work with what was really present in our lives.

Does your wife say "I'm so excited!" ever? That is a trigger phrase with PSI. They think that if you change the way you feel inside, no matter how contrived, it will change your life. With PSI everything is about results. It's about getting what you want, period. If the people in your life are in the way of getting what you want leave them behind.

Sounds like your wife has set some goals for herself around health and working out. Sounds like you may have some resentment and irritation about her taking time for herself to meet her goals.

Have you talked with her about her goals? Could you be willing to support her to meet her goals? My advice is to ask her what it is she needs from you, and then be patient. If your wife has a history of putting family before herself she may go to far in the other direction for a little while. She may have gotten in touch with her feelings of resentment that she has no time to herself. Try to understand that if she is taking care of the kids all day the evening may be the only time she can work out.

It's going to take time for the two of you to work things out. Keep talking about it. Ask good questions. Get her to explain what it is she learned and what she believes, that will get her in the process of questioning herself. Really listen to what she says.

Best of luck to you,

PSI survivor

Tom, hows things going with the wife???? Getting any better????

I'm sorry to hear of such horrible experiences with PSI.... particularly those of PSISurvivor and several others.

In my opinion (and that's all it is), I think perhaps PSI most affects those that are seeking somewhere to belong and when they are most vulnerable, they fall into what some of you refer to as "mind-control". Maybe spouses are afraid their partner will leave them or grow apart from them after learning what they really want in life. It's just a wild guess.... (or just a wild brain-washed guess)

I've seen the good side of PSI and haven't experienced anything near what I've read here. (Just visiting to stay in-tune, maybe to keep from 'falling'.)

I'm a graduate of several programs offered by PSI and unlike what I've read in posts by many members, I will not tell you that you are a victim nor will I tell you to take responsibiltiy. I take offense to that. I believe in what you are saying.....and do not doubt the truth in it. I will not tell you that it's your fault nor will I down-play what you've stated. I'm just sorry that you've been so badly affected and that your opinion is so negative towards PSI.

So now you are all ready to bash me, huh? I guess I set myself up for it by even daring to post something positive .... is it not okay for me to have an opinion? I'm really curious, otherwise I wouldn't bother reading all of your posts nor would I bother registering. I would like to see how others feel about PSI.

I can see where you are coming from by stating that they want your money. They sure do! Drives them crazy that I toy around with the concept of "coming from a place of scarcity". I have fun with it though and take the good where I can. They may get my money when I'm ready, not until then (if ever).

I hope that those who've experienced the "dark" side of PSI will find the strength to move on and learn to live happy, peaceful lives. Best wishes to all of you.....

Hey Tom, any news on the wife. Haven't seen a post from you or an email. Hope all is ok.

There is an interesting "discussion" taking place on factnet.org under "Is PSI seminars dangerous" if anyone is interested.

I don't get it.... why do people refuse to accept that their opinion is not necessarily the opinion of everyone else??

I'd like to thank all of the members on RickRoss.com for allowing me to join and post my opinion without 'derailing' me so to speak from ever visiting again! :wink:

I love individuality and respect where others are coming from .... thanks for doing the same!

Peace out!!
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I don't get it.... why do people refuse to accept that their opinion is not necessarily the opinion of everyone else??

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Opinions are based on personal experience. Personal experience is different for different people. This means the perception of the truth is different for different people. Some can see the truth, others no.

The truth is universal. It is based on the reality and there is only one reality. Wheter your opinion corresponds to the reality is a matter of knowledge or awareness. You are probably not aware that the goupr you are refering too uses cult-like pratices that are damaging to many people, but others are. It is the reality. If it's not damaging to you, good for you. You are kucky. But if you care for other people, you should consider all those you have seen there lifes disrupted or destroyed by such cults.

This is the reality. You cannot escape it.

An example of an opinion:

"Is the earth flat or round?". Is this a matter of opinion ?

An opinion is an "insight" that must be confirmed by scientific fact to be declared valid or invalid. I don't agree that your opinion is just as good as mine. The reality holds the truth. In case of doubts about the risks involved for a given "mind" technology, it is preferable to stay on the safe side and to avoid.

"I would not recomment it (LGAT) to anyone" "Buyer Beware" (Dr. M.T. Singer)

Vam-V,

I hope that you do not mind that nickname....

I feel (having lost my soulmate of 22 yrs to a lgat (not worth "capping" anymore)

Glam's responses have been right on it!

Try to be supportive, (I was or so I thought, but early on did not know what powerful shit this was..

Do what you can now to educate yourself on this group (R Ross is the best start) then, continue to post here...IMO, realize your lives are under a "seize - attack" , circle the wagons and educate/educate/edu...ok you know the drilll

You are facing a nemisis without body pieces you can grab onto.....they have her mind processor on-line with them, not her anymore....REALIZE that / get to understand that before you do anything else....IMO

They already have her.....you need to get her away from direct contact, however possible, without her direct knowledge...(take her on a surprise weekend away!)

IMO, realize that this is strong shit, and "normal" rules DO NOT APPLY..you're facing a jungle situation....I did and lost her...

DO NOT underestimate this group & the techniques that they use! EVER...

e-m me if you'd like to talk.....

PAX

ULTAWARE
You got that right. My wife left me one month after returning from PSI7 and I couldn't even recognize her. It was like someone came back in her place.

This letter was sent to various PSI Groups. I copied it and pasted it here. Thought it was very interesting.
"Dear PSI brothers and sisters, especially my sisters. I’m writing this letter to you all to tell you that I have had a profound experience about PSI. I don’t want to use my real name as it could lead to retribution so I’ve logged in with a different name and if someone who knows me figures out who I am I would ask that my identity be kept secret, as I’m very afraid. I started taking PSI seminars about two years ago and thought it was a very life moving experience. Shortly after taking PSI7 I came home and left my husband after a week. I had been married for ten years to a good and loving man, but at the time I thought there was more to life than what I had with him at home. I divorced him and moved in with a man I had met at the Ranch. My relationship with this man continued for almost a year when I realized he was seeing another woman, who was also taking PSI, so I left him. After confronting my boyfriend about seeing this other woman he told me he only took the seminars to meet other woman and to get laid. I left him and I continued to enroll and staff the basic and WLS, enrolled in PLD, and realized after a time I was still missing something. I spent most of my time working and earning extra money so I could pay for other PSI seminars and realized I have nothing to show for it except a failed marriage. My ex-husband continues to stay in touch with me as we have two children from our marriage and I realize this was the man I should have stayed with. I started looking into PSI a few months ago after getting some disturbing emails and found several message boards describing the tactics used by PSI to get people to break up their marriages and relationships. After reading the information I realized I made a terrible mistake with my life. I know people that came out of the Basic and used what they found to be helpful and left what wasn't. I ‘recruited’ six of my closest friends to PSI. Two told me the seminar was bullshit and because I felt threatened by their lack of understanding I didn’t see them anymore. Four went on to PSI7 and once they came back three left their husbands. I feel so ashamed that I was responsible for breaking up their marriages. One of my friends came to the same realization I did and thankfully returned to her husband. The whole thing is that PSI preys on those that cannot separate themselves from what is healthy behavior and not healthy. That is transforming the world for the better? There is something in the training that cause people to believe they are "changing" the world but really all they are doing is keeping a choice few very money happy. These people don't truly care about transforming the world because if they did, they would not allow them to overlook the needs of their families. If you are involved with PSI they have you hook line and sinker. Two years and $12,000.00 dollars I wasted. There is more to life than PSI, its life itself. The main reason I’m writing this letter to you, especially to you my sisters, is to look at these message boards. I saw my life in some of the stories I read there and I was scared and ashamed. I started to see a pattern with the tactics used by PSI to simply do one thing and that is to get our money. Google PSI and read the web sites you’ll find there and make your own decision. I’m only doing this because I learned to love all of you and know that we were all looking for something we didn’t have before, and I’ve come to understand that I still didn’t find what I was looking for and I cried because of what I gave up. My husband, my family and some of my closest friends, and know that because of the path I took I can’t go back. The righteous anger I feel lead me to an all but irresistible compulsion to act, to do the right thing, and tell you what I learned about myself and others. We can exercise free will and turn away, or stay with PSI but only at the cost of our self respect and to me that’s intolerable. God bless you all. Keri
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