What "ebicidic" is saying here is full of misinformation, and perhaps much worse.
This person admits to NEVER ATTENDING A ROBBINS LGAT, yet feels qualified in discussing it?
-your view of what an LGAT is, or is not, is not accurate, and does not reflect what has been carefully documented. Robbins seminars are full of "mind control" from top to bottom, and Robbins does not even deny this, he thinks its funny. Ask him sometime.
-If the Robbins salespeople think you have money, they will call you. But they will target you at a LIVE EVENT, where they can sink their teeth into you. They will target you when you fill out surveys about your assets.
-Tony has screwed his Franchisees the worst of anyone, many of them have gone bankrupt. They can't speak about it openly, for fear of being sued, as Robbins is very lawsuit crazy.
-Robbins message boards are not "open-source" and Robbins does not pay for them. It appears he licenses them to others, and they pay for them, in exchange for them being able to grab seminar commissions from people they target with personal emails, and calls.
-Robbins is not openly criticized on his website. All serious complaints are deleted even before anyone can see them. Of course, they let a few tame criticisms of him through, to give the appearance of being open to criticism.
-what you say about the comments not being deleted is false. Straight up false, so you either are not aware of the facts, or are being dishonest.
-Robbins does not encourage criticism on his website, that is a false statement.
-Tony Robbins is far more than a "coach", he is an expert in "mind control" in the most literal sense.
-hundreds of people, thousands, have spent 30K ad much more, on Robbins programs, if you don't know that, you either are unaware, or are not being honest. Mastery University is 30K. Wake up.
-the people who "Crew" work 18 hrs a day, for no money. Tony thinks its funny that he can get people to work 18 hrs a day for free, while paying their own hotel and flight, and tell themselves they are getting a great deal.
"ebicidic" could possibly be completely unaware of what is going on with Robbins, and could be just at the point to go from the "books and tapes" (which are the fish-hook and bait), to being reeled in, and attending the live LGAT seminars, which start at about $1,000, and then go to 10K, then 30K, and then up to 60K+, if you have access to that kind of money, and are one of the "chosen few" who are "suggestible" enough, and have some family money to burn, or a large credit line.
But "ebicidic" has made a series of false and incorrect comments in their post, so it seems that they are deliberately trying to use "spin" to support the Robbins agenda.
To read up on the facts and dangers of Robbins 30K+ Mastery University, visit the website www.Tony-Robbins.org
My friend spent £35,000 (about $60,000) on Robbins in the last 2 years. All on credit cards. And he doesn't even have a job!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey neutino, yes, the UPW weekend is a massive manipulation. As far as "mind control", its everything that all these types of groups use on people, and Robbins does all of it, and then some.
As has been mentioned by others, what Robbins does is called Unconscious Influence, that is, getting you to do what he wants you to do, without you being aware of what he is doing to you. Non-sceptical, trusting, "soccer-moms" are the ones that fall for his stuff the worst, and just lay down 10's of thousands of dollars...for basically nothing in the end.
The UPW seminar, is really a type of "filter" where Robbins highly trained salespeople look for easy marks, people who they can upsell and sign up THAT NIGHT to Mastery University, Coaching, etc. They target, and sign as many people up as possible that night, but they can't waste time on people who are a hard sell. UPW is like a big fish net, and they focus on getting their hooks into the big fat fish without defenses, they go for the easy ones, that look like they have some $. They can find this out easily, when they get people to fill out forms for the Financial Courses, they get you do fill out a Net Worth Statement...and guess what? If you have some $, you go on their special list!
But they leave the tough cases alone, they just focus on the easy marks, like any good con.
As far as the Tony Trainers, that can be tricky. Robbins hires very few people, he is able to get most people to work on 100% commission, or even for free, like most people who "work" at his seminars. So those trainers could have been working for one of the Franchisees, which means they would be on 100% commission, or some other side deal.
I would be very surprised if Robbins ever paid them one cent, Robbins doesn't pay anyone if he can get away with it. That's why he's rich.
Also, anyone deeply involved in the Robbins organization is amazingly dishonest, even with themselves. Often they will simply lie about their "success", exaggerate their incomes, etc, like people in Amway do, to try and sell people. Just like Robbins, who talks about his wonderful family for years, when in reality his family was a total disaster.
Many of them are self-deluded, in debt up to their ears, until one day it all crashes in around them.
Robbins also has set up his system that when you fail to achieve your extreme goals, you BLAME YOURSELF. Most people blame themselves for being a human, and not a super-human.
Robbins is a master con-man, he's so good he is taken to be legit by most people.
But again, not every person who reads his book gives him 30K. Its a filtering process, and they look for the suckers, like all these groups do.
And since Robbins salespeople are all 100% commission, this is what makes them so ruthless, as that is where they make their money.
Robbins is the ultimate wolf in sheeps clothing, but sadly some people have to go through Mastery University, and all the other junk for 5 years, until they realize what just happened to them. Many just blame themselves.
maybe Tony really believes that his expensive, advanced level involvements produce the results they say they do, maybe he's a complete cynic about it, or some inexplicable combination of the two... he asked for a show of hands of how many in the audience were self employed/small business owner types, a huge majority were, then he asked how many suffered from depression, and a large number raised their hands..