Certain kinds of dissociation (disruption of normal conscious awareness) can be confused with spiritual breakthrough and healing, if a person is under pressure and in social situations where they're encouraged to get confused. Hope found this article. See if it has some clues:
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You asked whether the double talk is a result of hypnotic suggestion?
(quote) [i:37c109c021]Is the double-talk language something that comes from hypnotic suggestion? Why aren't these people able to see how stupid it sounds to say "it's everything and it's nothing," "what you said is not wrong nor is is right, it is what it is," "I got everything from it and yet I got nothing," "I knew all this before, yet I didn't know anything," "I am the same person I was before I went, but now I am transformed."
I mean, sheesh, how powerful is this, that it can take intelligent people and make them say stuff like that? [/i:37c109c021](unquote)
Thats another area worth exploring. The double talk may be the result of something called trance logic, in which you're NOT aware that you're saying something illogical and you're not aware of doing something that violates ethical standards you held prior to participation in a problematic group.
There is a state of mind called 'trance logic' that people shift into when in hypnotic trance. * You retain adult level verbal ability, and retain adult level capacity to rationalize, but your cognitive level regressed from adult logic to a child's level.
Here is some information about trance logic:
2.3[i:37c109c021]. [b:37c109c021]What is Trance Logic? [/b:37c109c021]
Trance logic refers to a set of characteristics of mental functioning that are specifically found in 'deep trance' phenomena of hypnosis, as opposed to 'light trance,' which has not even reliable subjective correlates and cannot really be distinguished from simulation experimentally. These characteristics involve particularly an alteration in language processing.
*Words, in trance logic, are interpreted much more literally, communication being conveyed by focusing on words themselves rather than ideas. There is also an associated decrease in critical judgment of language being processed, and an increased tolerance for incongruity.*
It is in some ways as if the subject were like a small child with very limited experience to use in interpreting ideas conveyed by the hypnotist. There also is a shift toward what psychoanalysts call 'primary process' thinking, or thinking in terms of images and symbols more than words; *an increased availability of affect; and other characteristics that simulators do not consistently reproduce.
(Which means you're vulnerable--another reason why only trained, highly ethical persons are supposed to do trance induction, and only after they've evaluated you to see if its the best intervention, compared with other alternatives--the prime directive in professionalism is seek to do no harm, maximize benefit and mimize risk--Corboy)
This consistent set of characteristics of deep trance has been one of the influences leading to several kinds of theories of what trance actually involves:
Partly because language skills are 'child-like,' and meaningful long forgotten childhood memories can apparently sometimes be vividly re-experienced (see the later section on the reliability of recall in hypnosis) the theory that trance generally represents some kind of psychological regression to an earlier developmental stage has long been popular in some circles.
*Partly because the individual appears to become disconnected somehow with the usual context they use to evaluate ideas*, a cognitive dissociation theory arose. (Also partly because of anomalies involving apparent multiple simultaneous 'intentions.')
Partly because the cues prompting the subject's behavior become more internal and progressively more obscure to an outside observer, trance has been viewed as 'contact with the unconscious mind.'
Largely because some of the characteristics of trance logic correlate well with some of those discovered to be specialized in many people in the non-dominant cerebral hemisphere, there is also a popular theory that deep trance involves a somehow selective use of one hemisphere of the brain, or in the most simplified version of this theory, a 'putting to sleep' somehow of the dominant (language specialized) hemisphere. Some brain scientists strongly disagree with this view, emphasizing the complex interdependence of the brain hemispheres even in typical hypnotic-type situations. [/i:37c109c021]
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Speculation: What this means in computer terminology is the applications remain the same but you shift to a more primitive operating system.
In practice, what this means is that someone can tolerate contradictory beliefs when in a state of trance logic [b:37c109c021]without [/b:37c109c021]the feeling of discomfort/ cognitive dissonance a person operating from adult cognitive awareness would otherwise experience.
[i:37c109c021]In trance logic, its as though one's 'inconsistency detector/bullshit detector' has been disabled. People's boundaries can be more easily breached. [/i:37c109c021]
Life can seem more open, fluid and magical when you're in trance logic, making it an attractive state for certain people. Problem is your awareness is that of a young child, but with an adult's capacity for verbal rationalization.
This trance logic state is also self centered--another characteristic of early childhood. For little children, wish equals reality.
If a problematic LGAT knowingly or unknowingly fosters trance logic, people may be persuaded to believe they've been transformed and their consciousness expanded, when what has perhaps happened is their consciousness has constricted. Perhaps too, theve lost their capacity to apply objectivity and critical thinking to the LGAT experience itself.
And perhaps a person who has been thus affected by a problematic LGAT may retain capacity for adult logic and conscious thinking in many other areas--useful if they are to keep earning an living and generating revenue. Trance logic might be segregated to just one portion of a person's mind--but can influence his or her decision making in more subtle, pervasive ways.
First, it is possible that many LGAT subjects enter trance logic and lose their capacity for adult logic and critical thinking in relation to their LGAT. To preserve the high that they cherish, they must cling to trance logic and to the social venue which generated it. Yet they may be able to continue applying critical thinking to non-LGAT related matters.
The problem is, if an LGAT teaches you to link your feeling of being high with recruiting others to get involved, your trance logic/lack of criticla thinking in relation to the LGAT may then intrude into other social situations.
When certain persons show up on RR.com and launch vicious attacks, they may be desperately defending their own feeling of being cured--a feeling that is illusory, otherwise it would not require such an investment of effort.
If you cannot apply critical thinking to your LGAT, you' may have difficulty applying ethics to that LGAT. Applying ethics requires adult critical thinking skills--which are apparently affected and sometimes disabled by trance logic
If people cannot be objective in relation to their involvement with the LGAT, this also means they perhaps
1) cannot imagine the LGAT could harm them or anyone else
2) they may not be able to apply common courtesy or adult level professional ethics to their LGAT involvement.
An otherwise high functioning person may have a covert area of trance logic in relation to their involvment with an LGAT or some other leader or group and will be unable to apply adult insight to their commitment.
They may perhaps see no contradiction between moral standards they've learned prior to exposure to thier LGAT and the pressure put on them to recruit others - or defend the LGAT from outside critics!
A health care professional or someone in a position of authority may feel no qualms violating the ethics of their profession bu prosyletizing to patients or pressuring lower ranking employees to get involved with an LGAT--or persuading thier Human Resources Department that the LGAT is a legitimate resource for employee skill development. In trance logic, the commitment [u:37c109c021]feels [/u:37c109c021]legitimate, and that is sufficient. Fact checking and ethics may become irrelevant.
This extended speculation may offer one way to explain how how someone can have the finest intentions and be led to do harmful things.
Finally, it is possible that otherwise kind and courteous persons, will in relation to their beloved LGAT, see nothing wrong with visiting a message board like RR.com and launching vicious attacks--behavior these people might never do in circumstances where they are not in the grip of LGAT fostered trance-logic.
People under heavy stress may regress to trance logic. We probably see it when politicians have to make alibis, or when executives are caught plundering their employee's pension funds. When Richard Nixon and his minions had their backs to the wall, they probably argued from trance logic.
When people are in trance logic, they can confuse others, because what they say seems adult, but the logical inconsistencies of their speech and thought are based on primitive childish cognition and throw people off.
When a child reasons like a child, we expect that, and are not confused.
But when a highly articulate adult suddenly begins reasoning like a child in relation to something in which he or she is emotionally invested, we are often confused--there's been a change in rules, but no one has told us.