Ok, I pulled the trigger too quick sending the last post. I have more thoughts. justlanodan wanted to understand "I acknowlege your position" and "I experience you as". those are thought stopping phrases. Classic ericsonian tecniques again.
Another one my wife started using is "meet me where I am at", which is littered throughout the flyers discovery sends out.
justplanodan, why cant you get it? Those phrases are meant to stop the conversation, and cause one person to try and decipeher what the hell that phrase means. That opens the door to plant a suggestion or request. Its a tactic to steer the other person in a new direction.
I am sorry you cannot understand that. Seriously, read about Dr. Milton Ericson and how he used phrases to plant suggestions. Its really not that hard a concept if you will open our mind and "experience" it.
They are not "Ericsonian". Ericsonian phrases are things like "Stupid is as stupid does" or other nonsense.Saying "I experience you as" is a very valid statement. It is the same thing as saying to someone that you are hearing or seeing one thing ("experiencing" it), but also acknowledging that their meaning may have been different than the communication that was received.
"Meet me where I am" is a way of saying that you don't have to be at any particlar social or spiritual level to gain something from the training. It is a way of saying that anyone has something to gain from discovery no matter their station in life.
Unless you have attended there is no way that you can judge the exercises as being cultish or "Ericsonian" (which they are far from). These are assertions based on speculation at best. There is NO conformity expected, they want people to be individuals, and most of the exercises are about discovering who that individual is and what is standing in our way (fear, anger, laziness).
notmuch4games. Comparing discovery with Jonestown or Branch Davidians is ridiculous and takes credibility away from your post. No one surrenders total control to anyone throughout discovery. There is no therapy offered (though many of the exercises are therapeutic), no words are put into anyones mouths. I have never experienced (nor know anyone who has) a "foggy feeling", in fact I experienced total clarity about the importance of my family and my role as a husband and father. Not a single T.A. or facilitator tried to make any decisions for me whether they were moral, financial, or personal. To suggest that they do is a flat out lie from someone who is speaking out of ignorance.
Many of you make comments about discoveries practices as if they are fact, when you actually have no knowledge of the process itself.
If someone comes to discovery who is in an abusive relationship that is destroying them, and through the discovery they find the courage to break free or stand up for themselves, is that "wrecking homes", or is that helping someone to save their selves. How many spouses need a means to find the courage to leave a violent environment? I guess some guys get mad when they have spent years breaking their wives down with verbal and mental abuse, and then they dare to go along and triy to gain some self worth. If that abusive, joke of a marriage breaks as a result of Discovery training, then GOOD, they got the hell out before it was too late!!!!
As for my experience, My relationship with my wife was good but not great before discovery. Now that my wife and I have both atteneded it has only been better. Sorry to dissapoint that we did not come home and divorce.
The track record is that when anyone posts who has a positive experience with Discovery you immediately attack and mock them so prove me right and have at it.