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Posted by: Losing ()
Date: August 23, 2012 08:47AM

My wife is at psi 7 l would like to know what exactly goes on there

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Posted by: persephone ()
Date: August 25, 2012 09:35PM

My wife is at psi 7 l would like to know what exactly goes on there

- If she's not telling you then you know there's a major problem. But you've come here so you know there's something not right. Have you seen their website? Watched their videos (though I may be thinking of the other group that has more videos - it's all the same bs). Good luck with what comes from this. It's pretty much out of your hands if she's that far up and the money... yikes. Do you know how much these things cost? Man, I never got involved but I did my research only cause someone recommended it to me. I never went after reading these posts.


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Posted by: Steve989 ()
Date: August 30, 2012 08:20AM

My wife is at psi 7 l would like to know what exactly goes on there

Don't be surprised if you lose her to this group. This was posted on another blog I follow. This typical of someone who attends. Best of luck to you.

" My best friend went through a difficult couple of years, following her husband's alcoholic binges that emotionally devastated she and their family. He has been successful with his recovery. About 6 months ago, my best friend was introduced to PSI. So far, she has spent well over $10,000 and is no happier now than she was then. She has gone through a rotation cycle of cutting off those that are closest to her, such as her parents, her sister, and me, then waking up one day and crying for a reconnection. Her husband is the recent victim. She has asked for a divorce, and one of the reasons is because he won't be involved with PSI. Apparently, he has discovered that she has withdrawn $20,000 from their youngest daughter's education fund, and another $20,000 from a business checking account. She has been obligated to recruit members, and has done so unsuccessfully, so she is buying memberships for people in order to be allowed to stay in PSI. As well, she is coached daily by another member, to keep on top of her goals, and if she says the "wrong words," such as "try," she is penalized at about $10-$15 a word, which is another on-going expense. I'm appalled that a woman as educated as she would fall victim to such a scam. It is literally ruining she and her husband's life, emotionally and financially. She wants a divorce but says she still loves him and can't explain why she wants the divorce, it's just a "feeling" that she has. She wants to open a business to sell spiritual and metaphysical items but has no capital to open any business, but she said she has a "feeling" that it is her purpose and she is committed to her goals. She talks about all of this like she is in a hypnotic daze, without foundations for her choices. Come to find out, she made a set of goals, that breaking up with her husband was one of them and that is why she had to do it, because her coach calls daily asking if she's achieved it yet. She thinks she is following a dream of opening a business but has no means to do so, but she busily creates lists of supposed future inventory that she will somehow stock, but has no money to begin it with. She writes me frustrated emails now, complaining about life being "so f__king hard." Perhaps if she stopped letting PSI stop soaking money out of her bank accounts and credit cards, things wouldn't be so hard. She has literally lost it and I blame her vulnerability and gullibily, letting this scam, PSI taker for everything she's got, including her common sense. It's definitely a money-scamming cult and it's putting my friend and her family through misery, plus taking away the person I have called my best friend for over 30 years.

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Re: PSI Seminars and what Happened to me...
Posted by: Steve989 ()
Date: November 08, 2012 08:52AM

I can't believe PSI is still in business!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Found this on another site.

After attending the seminar I was fired!
PSI Seminars Complaint
5.0 11650 High Valley Road Clearlake OaksCA 95423 (707) 998-2222 []

You were reading a complaint about PSI Seminars.

Filing a new complaint about
The owner of the company was harrassing all of his employees to take the course.. Without exception everyone eventually attended for fear of losing their jobs:. I too decided it was necessary to accept the invitation to attend a one hour pitch to join PSI to avoid being let go:. I went to the event, sat through it although when it came time to play "musical chairs" with the attendees, I stepped aside and only watched in disbelief?. Afterwards, I thanked my host for having me - said good night, see you tomorrow|. At 10:00 am the very next day I was fired because "I wasn't a good fit for the company";. The very idea that they insist that each member "surround themselves with only people who are in PSI" explains most of what you need to know here!. If I didn't live in Arizona I would consider a lawsuit but it ain't California .... employee rights don't exist in this state for anyone- for any reason. I seriously suspect that it's a pyramid that pays for every person you enlist. The owner of the company is an arrogant, egotistical fool who is in bankruptcy and recently divorced. It doesn't look like the program worked for him or his life. Maybe Tom Cruise can hook him up with another program ...... 37ebeb

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Re: PSI Seminars and what Happened to me...
Posted by: rrmoderator ()
Date: August 02, 2013 08:06PM

See []

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Re: PSI Seminars and what Happened to me...
Posted by: SpookyM61 ()
Date: October 16, 2013 09:02AM

Same here still trying to make sense out of my experience with lgat (New Era Trainings).
Funny thing happened recently. A good friend of mines tried to recruit me for PSI, trying to
sell me "clearlake retreat" "oh you won't be stuck in a strip mall, enclosed room, it's a nice
outdoors environment". I was like "been there done that, not again!", and began to
confide in her my experience (angry/venting), trying to say lgats are all the same tech with different names.
She was not having any off it, and insinuating why I was comparing my negative experience
to her "good experience". And then she flipped it on me, tried to "enroll" me "you deserve a better experience"
trying to proposition me to go on the basis that her and her cohorts sponsor me $. I was like "NO, I'm good on
my own". I been on that side of things, and it sucks, I would not want to go through that again.
We were at an awkward point in the conversation. So I let go of it and move on to something else.
Now any conversation we have where she mentions PSI, I half hardly say uh huhs and move to next
subject. She's even thinking about staffing. Which got me thinking about recent news I got that someone who I was with in
New Era Trainings, who ended up staffing quit the whole thing and is pretty pissed off about the experience.
idk as good friend I'll be there for her when the other shoe falls, she can count on me for that.

I saw a void over at reddit. So I created this subreddit []
Check it out, subscribe, share info, vent etc. Just trying to spread info on these
lgat scams. knowledge is power!

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Re: PSI Seminars and what Happened to me...
Posted by: throwawaydad ()
Date: March 16, 2014 09:44AM

I could really use some of your help!

I just read every story in this thread and am really shocked at how much it is just like my story.

Over the last year I started dating a woman that seemed awesome. Last September she went off California for a month to work at the PSI ranch (Principia). She said " its a 2 week paid event production gig that I do every year for the last 14 years". I paid $1500 for her travel expenses to do this trip.

Her behavior changed drastically when she got to the ranch. She was in California a week before and a week after which her behavior seemed more normal, however the week after was not as normal. When she got to the ranch we had agreed that she would call me each night before she went to bed. This didn't happen. I got a few texts here and there, but she could not explain to me anything that was going on. I asked all kinds of questions, and she would just say, " I will explain it all to you when I get home". So I started googling it. I came across many of the reviews on and many of the other sites that have reviews from both ex members and current members.

I lost a couple days of sleep reading all of the stories, and then asking some of her friends that I knew had done PSI before, and asking her the same questions. It was amazing how every one of them all said the same rebuttals verbatim.

I started taking notes of her behavior, and observations, which added up to about 10 pages of notes while she was gone.

While she was there she was working 16 hours a day for 2 weeks straight, she only made $1500, so we netted nothing and she worked until she was sick for nothing, however, she never gave me the $1500 she made, she spent it on herself. She was not allowed to carry her cell phone, but was high enough on the ladder to bring her car so she could run errands for the group. This was my only time I could talk with her. However, each time we talked we argued.

I asked her to leave the ranch immediately and go to her dads house, and I would buy a new ticket for her to come back early. She refused. She said, this group is a part of her life, and I need to accept it. She also was talking with Jane Willhite about having children with me. Her husband is a DR and put together a bunch of information about a genetic condition that my GF has and how it affects pregnancy. My GF left this at her dads house which she stayed after she finally left the ranch.

Once the students left, she got to move from the bunk houses to the main huge ranch house. I would then start talking a bit more with her, still very different behavior. I would talk her to sleep when she would finally get to her bedroom, and in the morning one day she said she didn't sleep at all. I asked why and she said there were ghosts speaking to her all night. I said that sounds creepy, and she should leave. She replied this by text, "If they are ghosts, then they are the ghosts of Thomas Willhite and William Patrick Penn, two wonderful and kind men, I will never feel fear from them". I was shocked.

I was counting down the minutes until she left this place to try and see if there was anything worth salvaging here. She kept asking if I wanted her to still come home, and I did foolishly. See, we had moved into a really nice house, and I was starting a new business for us both to run together. I had spent my life savings on this relationship to work, and so I wasn't ready to let this dream go yet. Also, I had watched my wife die from cancer 2 years prior so this was my chance at a whole new life.

Once she left the ranch we had a few more talks, and I had organized a plan on how to break it to her that this was a dangerous group that had undue influence on her mind. I organized books, videos, websites, articles, a whole packet. The deal was, if she would read all this material, then I would go to Psi basic. She agreed and told me how much it would mean to her if I would go. I did not want to go at all, and I didn't, but I am strong enough minded that I would have stuck to my guns through it if she actually did go through with her end of the deal.

Once she got home, she was a bit different. But we quickly got back into the romantic nature of our relationship. After a few days had passed, I sat her down and we started to talk. I went over the observations of her behavior while she was gone, and also the love notes from guys on her FB page, and new male friends. I then showed her the information I had gathered for her to review. She got really pissed, and only read about 2 paragraphs. She refused to look at anything else, and she made me the deal, I will never go back, if you don't make me do this. I saw that as a win, and since I live very far away from California, I thought it would be easy to keep her from going back. So I agreed, and we dropped it.

We moved on in our relationship and I kept working really hard to build my new business. She didn't help very much at all with the business. So, in the end of November we moved to a smaller house because the other was too expensive and we needed more time to get the new business going. She chose the new place, which I wasn't thrilled about.

So, now we come to new years eve of last year. She was late on her cycle, and so we got the home pregnancy test. We both watched the clock and then uncovered the results and it was positive, which sent chills through my body. I was scared but absolutely thrilled. She seemed happy too, and we celebrated.

2 days later, I remembered she had all the pregnancy paperwork from Jane Willhite's husband was at her dads house, so I said call your dad right away and have him mail you that info. That never came.

We started looking at wedding rings and baby stuff. I was really happy. She decided to get a job so she could have her own income while I was finishing the set up of my business. All was well, that is, until January 25th.

I woke up a bit late as I stayed up late working on my business, and she was sitting on the couch. I started talking and she had a weird vibe, but I was talking about what I was working on, and asked if she could help me with some calls that needed to be made. She refused, then said, I have decided to go back to California and have this baby on my own.

I was blown away! It sent chills through me, and I almost fainted. I could not believe she could just flip the switch off so fast. It was really emotionally damaging for me. I tried reasoning, listening, begging, offering to move with her anywhere she wanted to go, anything to keep us together. She refused.

She then demanded that I buy her the ticket for 48 hours away, and said I have until the time her flight takes off to make up my mind if I will send money for the child, christmas gifts, etc. If I did she said, I will get to "come visit". But she also said I will not be able to bring my child back to where I have lived for 15 years ever, because she was afraid I would disappear, which is nonsense. I was absolutely crushed and with the emotions running I said there is no way I can make this decision in the next 48 hours as you have just ruined my life, and I need to make sure I make these decisions from a more grounded peace of mind. for those 48 hours she was stone cold. No love at all. So, a few hours before she flew out we had one last talk. This time I said I am 98% sure of what I want as far as being an "unknown father" and a father with visitation, but I need more time to digest this.

I knew 100% that I will do anything for this child, but I wasn't going to cater to her unreasonable demands. Then I asked what she was doing and where she was going. "None of your business". I then broke it down more precisely, "Are you running off with another guy?" "No way, I need some time to get straight, I won't date someone while Im pregnant, and won't look for a relationship for at least a year". Then I asked what about health care? She said her step mom works as a county supervisor for dishing out welfare and state health benefits, and she will express approve her application which her step mom and already filled out and had approved before she even got off the plane. Fraud?

I asked if she was going back to PSI, and she said no, but its none of your business what I do. It was really ugly, and I was calm and devastated.

After she left, I called her father who was picking her up on the other side and told him I have every intention of being a happy family, and at the least be a great father, and that I had never done her wrong, and have actually paid for her entire life for the last 8 months, including the flight back and $500 spending money. I told him I am committed to being a great dad no matter what, and I just wanted him to know that. He said, "Good to know, thanks for calling, bye".

About 10 minutes later, my GF calls in rage. "If you ever call me or my family again you will never see this child". Then hung up before I could respond.

I gave her 3 days to get settled and sent her an email asking to just have at least email contact, and to share medical stats with me in regards to my child. No response.

I waited 3 more days, and sent another email saying how much I loved her, that I am glad we can take a break to get some space, and to please reply so I know she is ok. This time she responded: "Don't ever contact me or my family again, you will never see this baby, I am changing my number".

She blocked me on facebook, blocked my emails because the emails from my email account even in the "sent box" disappeared. However, she reactivated me to send me one more email, and they reappeared so I forwarded as many as I could to another email account so they wouldn't disappear if she blocked me again which she did.

So, 2 weeks later its Valentines day, I send her an email from another account saying that I love her and happy V day, short and sweet. No response. So, I wait and give her more space. Some of my friends who she didn't yet block on FB had forwarded me her status updates. One was "I am pregnant, living again in California, and I am now on a solo adventure". Some one asked what about the father, and she said, he has chosen to not be a part of this childs life. This was such a lie and call for sympathy. Quite the opposite of what any PSI member will say about "Taking personal responsibility", etc.

So, over the last few weeks, I talked to my family members and find out that I should do a test to find out if I have a gene that runs in the family, so I went and got the test, and sure enough I do. So, this time I texted her. I said, please open up communication in regards to the baby's health, I just took a test, I need to share these results with you so you can have the baby tested and prepare for it. She responded, I will not share anything with you. Tell me what to do before I change my number.

I had also told her she couldn't do the test for several more weeks, so I gave it a week to text her a summary. I said very short and sweet, this is the test, this is the gene, please do your research and get this test. Also, let me know if I can help with the costs of this pregnancy.

Her response. I will not do the test, I will have the baby regardless of what it comes out like. Do not contact me again, I have moved on with someone else, and he will be the father. We are having this baby regardless.


Holy crap!


So, I have seen a couple lawyers here, but they all say they won't be able to get jurisdiction for a custody case.

I have talked with some expert witnesses and ex members, but most of the california lawyers don't take me seriously when I talk about PSI's influence on her mind. Its not just the company, its the members too. I need to get my child away from this evil empire. Does anyone have any advice as to how to show she is unfit, and the child will be in an unsafe living conditions?

Any one dealt with custody issues with a Psi member?

Also, anyone in California that can testify of your experiences with children of Psi parents, or relationships that were destroyed from this cult? Please PM me, I would be willing to pay for your time.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

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Re: PSI Seminars and what Happened to me...
Posted by: jill w ()
Date: December 06, 2014 10:10PM

Does anyone have new info on the new and improved seminars run by ACCD?

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