Landmark and litigation re: France 3 video - false claims
Posted by:
ajinajan
()
Date: November 13, 2006 01:32PM
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Full version with no missing end. No subs though, can someone fluent with French work on that?
[thepiratebay.org]
Hrm, looks like no one is seeding this at the moment.
Same deal as with the swedish one, need ppl to start seeding until a few other people have the file, then they can all seed, etc....
Landmark and litigation re: France 3 video - false claims
Posted by:
grub
()
Date: November 13, 2006 01:34PM
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ajinajanQuote
Full version with no missing end. No subs though, can someone fluent with French work on that?
[thepiratebay.org]
Hrm, looks like no one is seeding this at the moment.
Same deal as with the swedish one, need ppl to start seeding until a few other people have the file, then they can all seed, etc....
Someone is seeding :) PirateBay can take a looong while to get started. There are 2 people leeching off me already.
Landmark and litigation re: France 3 video - false claims
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: November 13, 2006 10:52PM
LA Times ran the Reuters article.
Pretty much every major news sources has run this article, tons of people have seen this now. What great PR for the video.
[www.latimes.com]
It was on their front page.
[www.latimes.com]
Pretty much every major news sources has run this article, tons of people have seen this now. What great PR for the video.
[www.latimes.com]
It was on their front page.
[www.latimes.com]
Landmark and litigation re: France 3 video - false claims
Posted by:
ajinajan
()
Date: November 13, 2006 11:07PM
Some funny comments regarding the legal action in this thread on Yahoo Finance:
[messages.finance.yahoo.com]
A parking ticket, perhaps, but I hope they fight it.
[messages.finance.yahoo.com]
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Thats not news, everybody has legal problems. What you're talking about amounts to a parking ticket for GOOG.
A parking ticket, perhaps, but I hope they fight it.
Landmark and litigation re: France 3 video - false claims
Posted by:
anon0820
()
Date: November 14, 2006 05:25AM
Landmark and litigation re: France 3 video - false claims
Posted by:
patrick-darcy
()
Date: November 14, 2006 06:22AM
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grubQuote
sj
just a thought with all this media attention
regarding landmark education,
is it worth writing letters to various members of parliment,
and congress to get these outfits banned
as the information is all over the media
at the moment
and will be fresh in their minds monday morning
and after all they are our representatives/ our mouth pieces for free speech,
I think that public education, not "think of the children"-style bans, are the best thing.
i have no problem with freedome of speech but
is brainwashing freedom of speech ?
also its interesting to note that during the forum
there are times when the victims are regressed
to their childhoods so that they can be programed
with "your past is empty and meaningless".
are adults who are hypnotized and taken to
their childhoods in their minds the same or different
than taking children and brainwashing them.
this is definetaly something to consider and
to discuss.
Freedom of speech is a double edged sword, snail oil salespeople have the same rights as those who question them. If they don't then society becomes a tyranny of the majority.
Landmark and litigation re: France 3 video - false claims
Posted by:
ajinajan
()
Date: November 14, 2006 09:11AM
So the original Reuters article,
[b:bf115fe481]Google faces legal challenges over video service
Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:55 PM EST[/b:bf115fe481]
[ca.today.reuters.com] ,
was written by:
[b:bf115fe481]Eric Auchard[/b:bf115fe481].
He is the "Chief Technology Correspondent of Reuters".
Here is his contact information:
[b:bf115fe481]eric.auchard@reuters.com
(415) 677 3919[/b:bf115fe481]
Conceivably, one could contact him and
[b:bf115fe481]a)[/b:bf115fe481]See if the lawsuit in France with Google is actually related to Landmark, if he has more information on this.
[b:bf115fe481]and/or[/b:bf115fe481]:
[b:bf115fe481]b)[/b:bf115fe481]Provide him with more information from the Rick Ross database, litigation archive, etc. on the history of Werner Erhard/EST/Werner Erhard and Associates/Landmark Education/The Forum - that is, if he doesn't already have all this info and just decided not to put it all into one article.
It would be most interesting to hear more about this.
A good start would be
Landmark Litigation archive
[www.culteducation.com]
and introduction
[www.culteducation.com]
GQ - "Defending Your Life" - 2005
[www.culteducation.com]
Landmark Session Leads to Counseling
[www.culteducation.com]
etc.
[b:bf115fe481]Google faces legal challenges over video service
Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:55 PM EST[/b:bf115fe481]
[ca.today.reuters.com] ,
was written by:
[b:bf115fe481]Eric Auchard[/b:bf115fe481].
He is the "Chief Technology Correspondent of Reuters".
Here is his contact information:
[b:bf115fe481]eric.auchard@reuters.com
(415) 677 3919[/b:bf115fe481]
Conceivably, one could contact him and
[b:bf115fe481]a)[/b:bf115fe481]See if the lawsuit in France with Google is actually related to Landmark, if he has more information on this.
[b:bf115fe481]and/or[/b:bf115fe481]:
[b:bf115fe481]b)[/b:bf115fe481]Provide him with more information from the Rick Ross database, litigation archive, etc. on the history of Werner Erhard/EST/Werner Erhard and Associates/Landmark Education/The Forum - that is, if he doesn't already have all this info and just decided not to put it all into one article.
It would be most interesting to hear more about this.
A good start would be
Landmark Litigation archive
[www.culteducation.com]
and introduction
[www.culteducation.com]
GQ - "Defending Your Life" - 2005
[www.culteducation.com]
Landmark Session Leads to Counseling
[www.culteducation.com]
etc.
Landmark and litigation re: France 3 video - false claims
Posted by:
ajinajan
()
Date: November 14, 2006 05:34PM
The torrent version at
[thepiratebay.org]
has almost an hour of extra footage, and is the complete version of the program: "Voyage to the Land of the New Gurus".
It is also of a much, much higher quality!
Unfortunately, at the moment this version doesn't have the English subtitles, so it's best to have the first version as well:
[thepiratebay.org]
The program is divided into segments:
Voyage au Pas des Nouveaux Gourous
[b:38e5114b12]Voyage to the Land of the New Gurus[/b:38e5114b12]
Premier Jour a Landmark
[b:38e5114b12]First day at Landmark[/b:38e5114b12]
Landmark Education: Une Entreprise Bien sous tous les Rapports...
[b:38e5114b12]Landmark Education: An Under-Reported Company[/b:38e5114b12]
Deuxieme Journee a Landmark
[b:38e5114b12]Second Day at Landmark[/b:38e5114b12]
Un Projet Deraisonnable
[b:38e5114b12]An Unreasonable Project[/b:38e5114b12]
Troiseime Journee a Landmark
[b:38e5114b12]Third Day at Landmark[/b:38e5114b12]
L'Histoire de la Manipulation
[b:38e5114b12]A History of Manipulation[/b:38e5114b12]
L'Infiltration
[b:38e5114b12]The Infiltration[/b:38e5114b12]
Le Grand Recrutement
[b:38e5114b12]The Great Recruitment[/b:38e5114b12]
L'Inaction des Pouvoirs Publics
[b:38e5114b12]Inaction of the Authorities[/b:38e5114b12]
Let me know if I got the translation of those segment titles correct.
Though their last segment apparently deals with the "Inaction of the Authorities", it seems like the authorities certainly acted in the end after the broadcast to 1.5 million people in France, because Landmark shut down one month later in all of France, June 2004!! Of course, there's the documentary in Sweden
[thepiratebay.org] (No english subs)
that was related to them shutting down there, and the mysterious pull-out from Switzerland. Noticing a pattern here.....
[thepiratebay.org]
has almost an hour of extra footage, and is the complete version of the program: "Voyage to the Land of the New Gurus".
It is also of a much, much higher quality!
Unfortunately, at the moment this version doesn't have the English subtitles, so it's best to have the first version as well:
[thepiratebay.org]
The program is divided into segments:
Voyage au Pas des Nouveaux Gourous
[b:38e5114b12]Voyage to the Land of the New Gurus[/b:38e5114b12]
Premier Jour a Landmark
[b:38e5114b12]First day at Landmark[/b:38e5114b12]
Landmark Education: Une Entreprise Bien sous tous les Rapports...
[b:38e5114b12]Landmark Education: An Under-Reported Company[/b:38e5114b12]
Deuxieme Journee a Landmark
[b:38e5114b12]Second Day at Landmark[/b:38e5114b12]
Un Projet Deraisonnable
[b:38e5114b12]An Unreasonable Project[/b:38e5114b12]
Troiseime Journee a Landmark
[b:38e5114b12]Third Day at Landmark[/b:38e5114b12]
L'Histoire de la Manipulation
[b:38e5114b12]A History of Manipulation[/b:38e5114b12]
L'Infiltration
[b:38e5114b12]The Infiltration[/b:38e5114b12]
Le Grand Recrutement
[b:38e5114b12]The Great Recruitment[/b:38e5114b12]
L'Inaction des Pouvoirs Publics
[b:38e5114b12]Inaction of the Authorities[/b:38e5114b12]
Let me know if I got the translation of those segment titles correct.
Though their last segment apparently deals with the "Inaction of the Authorities", it seems like the authorities certainly acted in the end after the broadcast to 1.5 million people in France, because Landmark shut down one month later in all of France, June 2004!! Of course, there's the documentary in Sweden
[thepiratebay.org] (No english subs)
that was related to them shutting down there, and the mysterious pull-out from Switzerland. Noticing a pattern here.....
Landmark and litigation re: France 3 video - false claims
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: November 15, 2006 01:04AM
[news.warez.com]
p2pnet
YouTube copyright row
Nov 14, 2006
An attempt by Landmark Education to use America's DMCA to find out who posted videos on GooTube is fast turning into a major international incident.
Copyright infringement has become a "hot topic" as, "pirated video from TV, films and music videos has proliferated across the web," says The Los Angeles Times.
Google bought YouTube for $1.65 billion but now, "Investors are concerned that Google could be financially liable for videos appearing on sites it runs; the company has said it does not face financial recriminations if it acts quickly to take down copyrighted material once alerted to it," says the story.
Copyright infringement has become a hot topic because the entertainment and software cartels have promoted this purely commercial event to the level of major crime as an excuse for their failure to come to terms with the facts that a) peer-to-peer technology is, or should be, the marketing and distribution vehicle for the 21st digital century, and b) once-compliant consumers are fast becoming customers again, people with unfortunate tendencies to exhibit discernment and intelligence, and exercise free choice.
But now the Copyright Spectre has gone well beyond the level of helpless consumers lacking the resources to defend themselves. Today, it haunts powerful conglomerates such as Google whose newly acquired GooTube is in the centre of a copyright storm which doesn't look likely to disperse any time soon.
The Landmark Education lawsuit, filed in France, has been virtually dismissed by Google spokesman Ricardo Reyes as a, "small lawsuit over a single video that appeared briefly," says the LA Times.
"Small" means $193,000 and, "We have procedures in place that allow copyright owners to tell us if their content is placed on Google Video without authorization," said Reyes. "When we receive appropriate notice, we quickly remove the content from Google Video."
...
The French documentary which got GooTube into trouble is Voyage au Pays des Nouveaux Gourous (Voyage to the Land of the New Gurus).
Late last week the EFF said it was in discussion with Landmark about its DMCA subpoena to Google, "In the hope that we can resolve this without need of litigation" and with that in mind, the EFF has, "held off on filing its motion to quash that subpoena".
The video was posted on Google Video, YouTube and the Internet Archive, and elswhere
Landmark is using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act to try to, "force Google Video and others to identify who posted the film," says the LA Times.
"Much like Scientology, Landmark is trying to shut down truths that it doesn't want people to know about," says a p2pnet Reader's Write.
"Scientology's efforts failed miserably and served only to draw further focus onto the cult. Now, with the Landmark story starting to hit the major news providers, the question is whether Landmark is willing to stand up to the scrutiny.
"Here's hoping that some journalists take the time to view the video and see what all the fuss is about."
p2pnet
YouTube copyright row
Nov 14, 2006
An attempt by Landmark Education to use America's DMCA to find out who posted videos on GooTube is fast turning into a major international incident.
Copyright infringement has become a "hot topic" as, "pirated video from TV, films and music videos has proliferated across the web," says The Los Angeles Times.
Google bought YouTube for $1.65 billion but now, "Investors are concerned that Google could be financially liable for videos appearing on sites it runs; the company has said it does not face financial recriminations if it acts quickly to take down copyrighted material once alerted to it," says the story.
Copyright infringement has become a hot topic because the entertainment and software cartels have promoted this purely commercial event to the level of major crime as an excuse for their failure to come to terms with the facts that a) peer-to-peer technology is, or should be, the marketing and distribution vehicle for the 21st digital century, and b) once-compliant consumers are fast becoming customers again, people with unfortunate tendencies to exhibit discernment and intelligence, and exercise free choice.
But now the Copyright Spectre has gone well beyond the level of helpless consumers lacking the resources to defend themselves. Today, it haunts powerful conglomerates such as Google whose newly acquired GooTube is in the centre of a copyright storm which doesn't look likely to disperse any time soon.
The Landmark Education lawsuit, filed in France, has been virtually dismissed by Google spokesman Ricardo Reyes as a, "small lawsuit over a single video that appeared briefly," says the LA Times.
"Small" means $193,000 and, "We have procedures in place that allow copyright owners to tell us if their content is placed on Google Video without authorization," said Reyes. "When we receive appropriate notice, we quickly remove the content from Google Video."
...
The French documentary which got GooTube into trouble is Voyage au Pays des Nouveaux Gourous (Voyage to the Land of the New Gurus).
Late last week the EFF said it was in discussion with Landmark about its DMCA subpoena to Google, "In the hope that we can resolve this without need of litigation" and with that in mind, the EFF has, "held off on filing its motion to quash that subpoena".
The video was posted on Google Video, YouTube and the Internet Archive, and elswhere
Landmark is using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act to try to, "force Google Video and others to identify who posted the film," says the LA Times.
"Much like Scientology, Landmark is trying to shut down truths that it doesn't want people to know about," says a p2pnet Reader's Write.
"Scientology's efforts failed miserably and served only to draw further focus onto the cult. Now, with the Landmark story starting to hit the major news providers, the question is whether Landmark is willing to stand up to the scrutiny.
"Here's hoping that some journalists take the time to view the video and see what all the fuss is about."
Landmark and litigation re: France 3 video - false claims
Posted by:
ajinajan
()
Date: November 15, 2006 04:44AM
That story has been carried by a French news service as well:
[www.agoravox.com]
Looks like the links work better there.
And also, over at the original torrent:
[thepiratebay.org]
There are currently 17 leechers and 11 seeders, at least.
We might need more seeders somehow as this gets more and more popular to download and watch...
[www.agoravox.com]
Looks like the links work better there.
And also, over at the original torrent:
[thepiratebay.org]
There are currently 17 leechers and 11 seeders, at least.
We might need more seeders somehow as this gets more and more popular to download and watch...
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