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Myles
[I want to get an idea of how your opinion was formed and is it tested.
For example: I can read about sex and I can watch a movie about sex. That would be knowledge. It is absolutely possible to form an opinion for myself from having studied those resources. However, once I had experienced sex; I had a much deeper foundation from which to form my own opinion. When you add knowledge together with experience, the opinion has been tested.
Is your opinion is based on knowledge, on experience, or based on both?
I can read about cults and I can watch movies (documentaries) about cults and talk with expert about cults. That is knowledge. If I experience a cult, I become a victim of deception and without knowledge. Your mind sucking trick is not working here. It is clear that you are a Landmark zealot who wants to "share your new possibilities" with us, but we are not dupe. And if you want to insist that I am running a racket, I couldn't care less. This means you are being cultish, which confirms my knowledge. Do you get it? I've been through all of this with my ex who was a Landmark advanced graduate, introduction leader and seminar leader.
So in a sense, I am talking with knowledge and experience resisting a subtle enrolling racket from a personal coach that was using all the tricks she had learned (reciprocity, consistency, liking, authority, but most of all deception and lying).
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skinnie
sorry to hear that you weren't able to keep your marriage together. you might want to consider that you could be blaming landmark education for your failed marriage. there's probably a lot associated with that.
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Dynamix
Myles, if you hear about anyone dropping out during your advanced course, really think about it, okay?
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rrmoderator
LGAT, which means large group awareness training, that's what groups like Landmark, NXVIM, Lifespring, Sterling, Impact and an assortment of other seminar weekends are frequently called.
Another common title is "mass marathon training."
See [www.culteducation.com]
This covers the common features and problems of such trainings.
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estie
I gave Myles and Monkeyvomit the benefit of the doubt, and took them at face value, but I gotta admit the thought crossed my mind that a couple of LECies were playing "stump the band." Monkeyvomit just vanished. Myles began by saying he might not have done the Forum if he'd known more, then proceeded to discount everything which was said. You'd think these ~enlightened~ folks would have better things to do with their time. I don't see how being ~inauthentic~ makes the world a better place.
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midonov123
Landmark say they don't use thought reform technology on people, nor do they use brainwashing technology for whatever that means. However, using their own vocabulary, they use a "technology" that leads to a "transformation" of peoples "mind". So I call it a "mind transformation technology" and that is definitely the mark of a cult.
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Myles
Well, I did feel like I had to think in a totally different way in order to understand the distinctions. The Forum leader had us all thinking in a way that we had not thought before. It took a long time too. People had a very hard time grabbing on to these concepts.
Okay. So, I think I can see your point. I'm not convinced that it was bad or negative for me right now, but I definately see how we were encouraged to think in a new way.
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Myles
Well, I did feel like I had to think in a totally different way in order to understand the distinctions. The Forum leader had us all thinking in a way that we had not thought before. It took a long time too. People had a very hard time grabbing on to these concepts.
Okay. So, I think I can see your point. I'm not convinced that it was bad or negative for me right now, but I definately see how we were encouraged to think in a new way.
Just because they sound new or novel does not automatically make a "distinction" particularly brilliant. Or useful, or liberating. It is not so difficult to make rather profound sounding generalizations that are grounded on incoherent philosophies. I knew the guy who originated the distinction of "distinction" ...........