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Kevin Woody

Participating in Impact Trainings for 2 years.

Impact Training Staff member.

Enrollment Coordinator and Graduate Liaison.

Marketing Development.

Website consultant.

Married with 2 children.

Every encounter with Kevin is genuine, powerful, honest and real. He quickly gets right to the point when empowering people to take on the Quest Training. Kevin instills in others a strong desire to move forward and take an honest look at their results and their roadblocks. Every month, Kevin celebrates the new found personal freedom of the Quest Graduates. Clarity, Compassion and Confidence are his trademarks.




David Bentley

Participated in the Impact Trainings for 3 years.

Outdoor Ropes Course Facilitator.

Marketing Specialist.

Operations Consultant.

Guest Presentation Facilitator.

Married with 2 children.

Dave is full of life! He is awesomely sharp and quick with his insights and humor. His creativity is limitless, and he teaches and empowers others with a real sense of power, passion and enthusiasm. Whether on the Ropes Course or in the training room, there is never a dull moment with Dave is in charge.



Both left around October 2002.

I knew Dave Bentley personally. While he was with Impact he made the decision to leave his wife and kids. At the time he wasn't paying any kind of child support and his wife had to sell their house and take a job as a bank teller to make ends meet.

I understand that divorces happen [i:c253aef700](especially around Impact)[/i:c253aef700] but Dave literally abandoned his family because he had to "find himself". Impact continued to allow Dave to train through all of this and actually expanded his duties.

Impacted -

I greatly enjoyed reading your wise sarcastic humor in your last few posts. Thanks for the smiles......got a kick out your comments. They are so right-on!

skeptic

Formerimpactgrad,

>>While he was with Impact he made the decision to leave his wife and kids.<<

I was likewise challenged by Hans and Sally to leave my seven kids and marriage. To keep from being "held back." I know Krista and Mike and Dwight and Terri and KT and others (everyone?) who were on the staff, and especially training, there were likewise counseled by them to divorce. One constant issue with Ward was that he refused to surrender to their advice that he leave a woman who was "keeping him small." She was never around much. (I assume she will be once they read this, or else!)

Their desires to see everyone around them divorce, it seems to me, to be their way of justifying their own prior, relatively ugly, divorces and relationships with their step-children. Anyone with a truly loving (first) marriage being a challenge to their holding themselves as "perfect" (and the most enlightened human beings who have ever lived.)

I doubt Dave made this decision on his own. I hope in the 5 years since he left he and his former wife have reconcilled.

After all, giving one's word to "Love, Honor and Cherish till death do us part" should mean something, yes?

Well, at least everywhere other than inside the Utah State Prison and other nearby similar locations devoted to re - "training."

After all, "Like-energy attracts like-energy."

Love and Light,

Impacted

The lines are so blurry on the married/divorced issue I'm not sure where they stand.

I've seen Hans, Sally and a few of the other trainers encourage divorces on more than one occasion. It was usually done behind closed doors (because not supporting marriages or attempting to be spiritual leaders would cause HUGE problems with the LDS church), but there were a few times when I heard trainers talk idly about specific couples and their problems in more public settings.

Usually they would approach it by saying something like, "They are two different colors" and then proceed into some kind of lecture about how everyone has "life colors" that make them compatible or incompatible. I don't know if Hans or Sally ever chimed in on my marriage but I heard through the grapevines that a few staff captains spoke with my wife about me holding her back. I suppose they were right in the sense that I was not as involved with Impact as most around there would have liked.

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I've seen Hans, Sally and a few of the other trainers encourage divorces on more than one occasion. It was usually done behind closed doors (because not supporting marriages or attempting to be spiritual leaders would cause HUGE problems with the LDS church), but there were a few times when I heard trainers talk idly about specific couples and their problems in more public settings.

Usually they would approach it by saying something like, "They are two different colors" and then proceed into some kind of lecture about how everyone has "life colors" that make them compatible or incompatible. I don't know if Hans or Sally ever chimed in on my marriage but I heard through the grapevines that a few staff captains spoke with my wife about me holding her back. I suppose they were right in the sense that I was not as involved with Impact as most around there would have liked.

I think the level of involvement has everything to do with it. They probably didn't pressure Shannon and Kevin to divorce because they were both on the office staff. I remember being around and never knowing for sure, but always having this feeling that Ward was a bit uncomfortable with his marriage, but now after reading this, I realize that was coming more from Hans, Sally, and others on the office staff than from Ward himself. Interesting how I would get that sense, or that conversations about other peoples relationships would even come up when they teach about no "bitch lines". I think I heard more "bitch lines" from the office staff and trainers than anyone else in the trainings.

On another note, I have heard many rumors from people involved that if you were on office staff and didn't devote the majority of your time to the "cause" that it would easily result in termination. I knew people on office staff that couldn't let it out that they had a second job or were attending college at the same time because they knew they would be fired.

First of all, I'd like to thank everyone who has posted on this site. I have spent the last week pouring over all 62 pages and have learned more in one week than I have in the 4 or 5 years I've been dealing with this insidious cult called Impact. As my name implies, I have NOT attended Impact, but I am trying to deal with the effects of my ENIRE FAMILY, (minus one brother) who has and are still throwing away A LOT of their hard earned money, and turning their minds over to the Bergers (aka Jim and Tammy Faye Baker) :evil:

It all started in 2003 when my brothers wife went thru Quest, Summit and Lift-Off. She changed drastically. (I believe my brothers words were, "She is on a higher plane"). So, my brother being the good supportive husband that he is, decided in order to keep his marriage together he had better do it too. Subsequently, he got my mom, three more brothers (and a sister-in-law), and eventually my sister and her husband. Both sisters-in-law have each gotten their parents to go through it, in fact there will be a graduation that I WILL NOT BE ATTENDING this Saturday. When this nightmare ends, I will have 2 brothers, 2 sisters-in-law, a brother-in-law and my only sister graduate as TIT3'ers, as I believe they are referred to.

This leaves my younger brother and I complete strangers to the rest of what was once was a pretty tight-knit family. I have a husband and three children; my brother has one child and a very special girlfriend. We have essentially been replaced by their "Impact family". He and I have been beside ourselves for years, both knowing in our guts that this is wrong. They have tried, through various means, to get us to join up, but thankfully, THANFULLY, neither of us have succombed. In fact, if I knew then what I know now, I would have begged them to stop. But I feel now, that they have reached the point of no return. I know some of you, Ex and Former specifically, made it all the way through TIT3 and are recovering (I'm so proud of you both!!!), but I am under the impression that you are very much in the minority. It's to the point that we cannot relate, on any level, to any of them. We both did our part to support them in the beginning by attending graduations, etc. (which, by the way, made me literally naseous..) but as time has passed, we have both felt more and more like this is a VERY bad situation and one that we can no longer support.

At first when I came to this site, I merely wanted to see how much information I could gather. My brother had mentioned Impact to someone at work who found this site and I haven't been able to stay away since. Subsequently, he and I are now grappling with the fact that we can no longer be silent. We feel that since we've already been outcast, we don't have much to lose by letting them know how we feel, by now using words instead of actions. I have so much more to say about this, and soooo many questions, but I'd like to get a perspective on what, if anything, can be said at this point to the TIT 3'ers that would be effective. Any insight would be much appreciated!

[I just want to put down my 2 cents on these large mega-threads...they are actually very effective, as due to the activity and how long they last, they get a very high Google ranking.
If a curious person searches Google for "Impact Trainings" this very thread comes up in the top 10 results, which is amazing.
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So many people and families can be helped by the information in this thread. People can make other more orderly documents, and then LINK to them from the megathread. That way the Google ranking will stay high due to the activity in the thread over time. If tons of little threads get created, and split apart, then you lose the Google ranking. The leaders of Impact Trainings would love it if the Impact Training critics broke all their threads up, then they would disappear from the Google Top 10. They don't sleep well at night knowing that anyone who searches for Impact Trainings will find this thread]

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First of all, I'd like to thank everyone who has posted on this site. I have spent the last week pouring over all 62 pages and have learned more in one week than I have in the 4 or 5 years I've been dealing with this insidious cult called Impact. As my name implies, I have NOT attended Impact, but I am trying to deal with the effects of my ENTIRE FAMILY, (minus one brother) who has and are still throwing away A LOT of their hard earned money, and turning their minds over to the Berger's (aka Jim and Tammy Faye Baker) :evil:...

I am truly sorry that you are involved with one of [i:400c101cc4]those[/i:400c101cc4] families. It makes it harder, because the religious/spiritual bonds have very deep familial ties, emotionally, socially, economically and psychologically. I have spent much time on thinking about what can be said to TIT 3ers and I don't know if I can say anything more than I already have. Have you ever tried to talk someone who is devout out of believing in their religion? If you swallow the core stuff deeply enough, you don't even have to join the TIT nutters to be deeply indoctrinated.

Thanks for the compliment, but I do know that from what I gather in his posts, both former and I did not relate to, well, almost everyone in TIT, and I'm sure that is what helped us get out. I went under deep, but I did it against my will, if that makes any sense. There was a part of me that always shouted warnings like, "THIS IS WRONG!!!", but I did what they told me to and reduced it to my "whining ego-mind" and wrote it off. They exploited things in me I wasn't even aware of and I was conflicted even while I was trying to believe in all of it. It's like eating ice-cream and spinach in the same bite. One is good for me and one only [i:400c101cc4]tastes[/i:400c101cc4] good, but together...ick. Man I was confused. But once I got unconfused, I got the HELL OUT.

It's that ego-mind indoctrination that screws you up. It an excuse for you to be confused about the Impact/LGAT bullshit, but not do anything about it while they work on you and condition you. Ugh.

I need to think about this TIT3 rescue stuff in more detail I think, but I will tell you, I am not optimistic. What worked on me ultimately was logic, and most of those people retreat from logic as if it were a satanic, homicidal, child-molesting, cannibalistic, raping, skunk-stanky, terrorist-bombing, zombieized, plague-ridden and [i:400c101cc4]rabid[/i:400c101cc4] bear. On fire.