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formerimpactgrad
Of course the contradiction still exists! The insinuation in lifeboat was not that Jesus was perfect so giving up his life made a difference but rather that Jesus' life was valuable and the Lifeboat trainees' lives were not. The example used in Lifeboat only works if the implication is that the trainees' lives have absolutely no value!
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Passionate
Spiritual?, in reference to the perfection they teach, I saw it a bit differently. I didn't see that they actually taught that we are perfect in the literal sense, like Jesus ws said to have been perfect because he didn't sin, but that I am the perfect me no matter what I do. All of my actions are a total reflection of who I am. My personality, beliefs, thoughts and actions are at all times mine. It doesn't mean I live a moral life (morality is relative) or that I might not have room for improvement, just that I am me. I might not have described that well but I did my best.
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army-of-me
So for thousands of dollars, one of the things you learned is that “today you are You, that is truer than true. There is no one alive who is Youer than You.”
I recall Dr. Suess teaching me that for under $15.
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I had a different experience in Lifeboat. I kept my own vote and received the second highest number of votes in the training.
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So for thousands of dollars, one of the things you learned is that “today you are You, that is truer than true. There is no one alive who is Youer than You.”
I recall Dr. Suess teaching me that for under $15.
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Passionate
I had a different experience in Lifeboat. I kept my own vote and received the second highest number of votes in the training. For me, in my core training, this was one of the few processes that didn't tear me down.
Spiritual?, in reference to the perfection they teach, I saw it a bit differently. I didn't see that they actually taught that we are perfect in the literal sense, like Jesus ws said to have been perfect because he didn't sin, but that I am the perfect me no matter what I do. All of my actions are a total reflection of who I am. My personality, beliefs, thoughts and actions are at all times mine. It doesn't mean I live a moral life (morality is relative) or that I might not have room for improvement, just that I am me. I might not have described that well but I did my best.
With that thought, would there still be the contradiction that you pointed out earlier?
Of course the contradiction still exists! The insinuation in lifeboat was not that Jesus was perfect so giving up his life made a difference but rather that Jesus' life was valuable and the Lifeboat trainees' lives were not. The example used in Lifeboat only works if the implication is that the trainees' lives have absolutely no value!
As far as the Otter thing goes, there are plenty of ways to not get banned. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to alter an IP address or use a different email account. Otter is/was an absolute fanatic and it seems unlikely that his departure from the site coincided seamlessly with your arrival. Especially since you seem to have the same MO as Otter.
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Passionate
I had a different experience in Lifeboat. I kept my own vote and received the second highest number of votes in the training. For me, in my core training, this was one of the few processes that didn't tear me down.
Spiritual?, in reference to the perfection they teach, I saw it a bit differently. I didn't see that they actually taught that we are perfect in the literal sense, like Jesus ws said to have been perfect because he didn't sin, but that I am the perfect me no matter what I do. All of my actions are a total reflection of who I am. My personality, beliefs, thoughts and actions are at all times mine. It doesn't mean I live a moral life (morality is relative) or that I might not have room for improvement, just that I am me. I might not have described that well but I did my best.
With that thought, would there still be the contradiction that you pointed out earlier?
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Passionate
I do stand by my post that morals are relative. Here's a good article that describes morality and the philosophy of them:
[en.wikipedia.org]
I promise this isn't a religious discussion, but Impact seems to dabble in that field a bit so I thought I'd bring this up. One thing I have wanted to discuss is the "I AM" statement made in Summit. Pamela would say "I Am that I Am" while pointing to a trainee. The way she said it implied that Jesus would be pointing to any one of us and saying "I am that" or saying "I am John, I am!" meaning he is the same as us, or that he IS us. This confused me. Can any of you grads shed some light on this?
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rrmoderator
To whom it may concern:
fatherof3 has been banned from the board.
This thread certainly has its share of "Internet trolls."