Thank you Feldspar, I was wrong, it was a psychic festival, not witches.

You wrote: "You spoke of how one man was made to revisit a trauma"

This is a minor matter but I wish to correct it. I did not see someone asked or required to revisit a trauma. He chose this as a way of working on his problem with authority. I saw this as a mistake on his part.

sol37:

Flaming is against the rules and you will be banned if you continue to post flames here.

Also, if you wish to discuss other groups and practices start another thread feturing another topic.

This thread is focused on MKP.

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This is a minor matter but I wish to correct it. I did not see someone asked or required to revisit a trauma. He chose this as a way of working on his problem with authority. I saw this as a mistake on his part.

Just like the other LGAT supporters such as Landmark Education, Lifespring, Sterling etc. "sol37" blames the participant rather than the group leaders.

In a properly supervised therapy group, led and facilitated by a trained and licensed therapist such as a clinical psychologist, such problems would be less likely to occur.

The situation you describe further confirms the problems within MKP based upon its leadership and dynamics.

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sol37 said,

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This is a minor matter but I wish to correct it. I did not see someone asked or required to revisit a trauma. He chose this as a way of working on his problem with authority. I saw this as a mistake on his part.

Just like the other LGAT supporters such as Landmark Education, Lifespring, Sterling etc. "sol37" blames the participant rather than the group leaders.

In a properly supervised therapy group, led and facilitated by a trained and licensed therapist such as a clinical psychologist, such problems would be less likely to occur.

The situation you describe further confirms the problems within MKP based upon its leadership and dynamics.

Probably, in a properly supervised therapy group, led and facilitated by a trained and licensed therapist such as a clinical psychologist, the facilitator would feel more responsibility to for the patient and the patient's repercussions than these cold-hearted large group awareness training "Leaders" ever do.

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Sol37:

Your claim that a therapist supposedly told an MKP participant, "I don't know what happened to you, but you're seven months ahead of where I expected you to be" -- once again confirms what others have observed here.
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The person to give advice regarding the young man in therapy would be his treating therapist, a consulting psychologist, specialist and/or psychiatrist, not an MKP participant.

I would confirm rrmoderators comments here and might add the proverbial quote "that there is no such thing as a free lunch". In my opinion, pushing therapy too fast has much risk for failure or damage. This risk is further enhanced by the fact that MKP is operating without any checks and balances by a scrutinizing outside organization.

Cheers,
M

@Sol37, out of curiosity, because I don't know MKP, do you talk with others about MKP and do you invite them to take a course or workshop? Do you talk with people who have done MKP about inviting other people? How do you talk about this?

Wow! I found this thread through Wikipedia and have read through most of it (skipping mainly the middle bits). Having been through MKP myself and known a variety of men over the years who have been through it and chosen to become involved, not become involved or leave after some involvement, I don't see any particular coerciveness to the organization at all.

That having been said, I believe there are some wives and relationships who will not admit of autonomy for the other partner and will not survive one or both partner being strong or independent. It is my judgement that such relationships are unhealthy, but it takes all kinds to make a world, and one person's shrew is another's angel.

I believe that there are many people whose lives are so fragile as to admit of no change, and some identities that are so brittle that any stress is dangerous. I also believe takes care to identify those people before and during the early stages of any training.

If you think your marriage will not survive your husband's attending an MKP training you may be right. For better for for worse, though, that is a decision for your husband to make. If you cannot stand your man after MKP that is your decision, and I hope that you find happiness.

As I said, it takes all kinds to make a world.

rorybowman:

You seem willing to blame anyone but MKP for the problems that result after MKP involvement.

Don't you see anything wrong with what MKP does?

By contemporary standards I am hostile to almost all forms of organized religion and thought and what Thomas Jefferson called "every form of tyranny over the mind of man." I believe that many people find use and comfort in such things, though, and respect the institutions for the value they bring people.

Most of the concerns I see about MKP in this thread could be applied to almost any mainstream religious or fraternal organization, as well as to many hobby clubs. I don't think that MKP is any more cultish or inappropriate than the average church Sunday school, and believe that videogames and online forums such as this have probably damaged more marriages than MKP will ever touch.

If one is psychogically fragile or has narrow religious views, anything outside of those views will seem cultish, Satanic or weird. Such is the brittle nature of some minds, and God bless them. If they need such structure, terrific, but comparing MKP to LGAT's such as Est or Landmark seems to me silly. And certainly they do not rise to the level of Scientology, the Unification Church or Hare Krishna. Mormonism is waaaay weirder than anything I've heard of in MKP, and I think that is important to say.

A more useful and less alarming selection of culty checklists may be found at [en.wikipedia.org] and by almost all such criteria, MKP's "culty" aspects are small beer, no more sinister to me than most youth summer camps.

A lot of good and bad things will happen after other things, but "post hoc ergo propter hoc" is bad logic.