twillia1My point has always been that we as human beings have a lot of control over what we get out of our experiences.
Yes, we do have “some” control over what we get out of our experiences. But, when something enters your life that is painful or damaging, what you learn from it is not always positive. MKP has been damaging and painful to my family, what should I get out of this that would be “positive”? I am now more vigilant in regards to “society”. I am not as “trusting” as I once was. Being less trusting than I formally was could in the long run be “helpful” to my family, but, it is painful to me to feel a certain “innocence” in my life now gone. I have defenses up, when I go to activities in my town, I am now “afraid” that I will run into the group of people that recruited my husband. I am finding it hard to just enjoy what I would previously, as in certain activities that my family enjoyed, are now things that we do not do anymore as we know that the MKP group will as well be there. So, let me point out, that if I was raped (which I feel MKP emotionally raped me), what positives should a person gain then? (And yes, MKP did emotionally rape me, they took my life and without my permission, brought abuse and pain into it, they pressured my husband to share personal information about me and our relationship with them without my permission, and then he was supposed to keep that "secret" from me. EMOTIONAL RAPE!)
twillia1My experience in life is that when I generate this strong of a response from people, it is normally because something fits for them, and they are unwilling to admit it.
What fits for us (and I am willing to admit this) is the pain and lies and LGAT techniques and secrecy etc etc and on and on that MKP has forced into our lives. In any other situation, would you be saying the same as you are? Let's say someone rearends your vehicle and you get hurt. You have a strong reaction to the wrong done to you, but, the person who hurt you says to you "My experience in life is that when I generate this strong of a response from people, it is normally because something fits for them, and they are unwilling to admit it" they are then trying to put the blame back on you. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL? Be honest now. MKP rearended my family, and now members are putting the blame on my family. When something is painful and damaging, it does not then signify that the person in pain is the one “with the problem” every time. You are reacting like, those of us hurt by MKP, are the ones causing the problem. I say to you, if MKP had been HONEST and UPFRONT with what MKP is, my husband would NOT have become involved. (He no longer goes to I-group) MKP was not honest and upfront. MKP says "It is ok to lie to you if you don't have the right to know, because we know best".
twillia1Read my last post... I specifically say that it IS an LGAT based on the definition of such. As far as "coming across rather badly?" Well, yes, when you take excerpts completely out of context and put them in your own order, it couldappear that way, couldn't it?
Sigh, you are making the mistake of saying that we are not empathetic and intelligent enough to “READ” and understand what we read. A person does NOT have to personally experience something to understand it. I do not have to experience cancer personally, to understand how painful and damaging and horrifying it can be. I have read the manuals, I have had many discussions with my husband, I have lived with the reactions of my husband post-mkp, I have had many "discussions" with MKPers and "see" how they all "speak" the same, I believe I understand.
twillia1 So, moderator, I make you this challenge: Instead of sitting around making uninformed judgements about the NWTA, why not go through? At least then you can complain about something that you know about.
Again, assuming that a person has to experience something first hand to understand it. That the only way a person can be "informed" in regards to MKP they have to experience it. IMHO, you, are still "asleep". I did not have to experience Hitler to be informed and understand the sickness he created in this world.
twillia1 I agree with you here, Ginah, with a caveat: Men (at least in my community) are always invited to an open I-group before their weekend. While this does not disclose the processes, etc. from the weekend, it does make them a bit more educated about the end result.
I do not agree with this at all, my husband attended an open “I-group”. He was no more informed about the weekend after this meeting than before he attended the I-group, oh, other than “It would change his life”, it certainly has. He was lied to at this meeting since “he didn’t have the right to know yet!!!!!!” He was not told that LGAT techniques would be used on him, he was not told that Jungian and Gestalt psychology would be used on him, he was not told that brain altering techniques would be used on him, he was not told he would have his personal items taken away from him, he was not told that he would be “abused” on this weekend, he was not told that he would have to do activities in the nude, and I could keep going on and on about what “truths” he was not told. Ah, MKP would have to be H-O-N-E-S-T and then they would lose “potential” recruits, can’t have that now can we?
twillia1 You posted a list of "guys' rules." Again, some of this I agree with, and some I don't, and I believe the original intention of it was to be funny. But, since you brought it up, here goes:
I am glad that you think it is so funny. Just because it is considered a “joke”, does not make it less demeaning, it would be just as demeaning if it was geared towards, lets say, specific races, or religions etc, and it would not be acceptable. What makes it more acceptable with it being geared to women rather than to specific races or religions etc?
I am posting because of the unethical methods used by LGAT groups, I am trying to learn as much as I can so that I can be more “vigilant” in my life. It is very cathartic to “get out” my pain. No, I don’t need to playact “killing” anyone, murder, even imaginary, is not my style. It would be quite nice if these groups were forced (since they can’t/won’t do it on their own), to be honest and upfront with potential recruits.
Attempting to somehow blame those hurt by LGATs like MKP for their injuries is not a meaningful response to what's wrong with LGATs.
I agree with that statement. I feel that you are a classic example of: PARANOID-WE ARE BEING PERSECUTED Any time you say anything negative about the group, whether justified or no, it is regarded as "persecution". Any criticism of the individual is also seen as persecution only because they are the "enlightened" one-not because they, as an individual, have done the wrong thing. However, at the same time they will feel free to criticise whatever you believe, say and do because they are "the only ones who are right". Your post have all been classic examples of this as well as many other pro MKP postings.
Yeah, I know, you will somehow twist everything that I and others have written and believe and feel, just as you and others have done before, to make it seem as if WE (those of us against MKP and LGATs) are the ones creating the problem. And I guess we are in a way, because, we refuse to be coerced, lied to, peer pressured, hammered, brain washed into believing "your way" is "the right way" for us.