Re: Has Anyone Ever Heard of Radiant Life Church in Sacramento
Date: October 30, 2008 07:49AM

thanks escapee for clearing that up

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Re: Has Anyone Ever Heard of Radiant Life Church in Sacramento
Posted by: Deja Vu ()
Date: October 30, 2008 08:09AM

Hey Jesse! Thanks for coming on here and posting. I am at fault for many people leaving and me seeing them as traitors or dangerous or the "just don't get it crowd". I am sorry for my arrogance to you and so many others. My wife and I always wondered if the relationships were really real at RLC. Why? Because EVERY CHURCH and I mean EVERY CHURCH we ever attended were full of superficial relationships that were solid were based on the contingency whether or not you were in their ministry. Do you know what I mean? Nicole stated it in an earlier post, "FACTIONS". Radiant Life is just another church where even down to the actual ministry, if you went to another ministry, the friendship was belittled or even decimated. I never understood it.

When I left RLC, only 3 people called. One was to say, "hope all is well" (another meaning for "I will pray for you"), one that was genuine and then Brandon Miller asking questions and really wanting to know truth. Anyhow, the people that have always been there for us even before RLc are still there like the "Alfonsos" and the "Rezentezes". I met the Michalaks on our first day of RLc and they have always been there though our relationships have been tested many times. I guess you get my point.

Religion divides and seperates as far as I am concerned and RLC is deep into Religious practice.

-Ryan-

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Re: Has Anyone Ever Heard of Radiant Life Church in Sacramento
Posted by: Free2bme ()
Date: October 30, 2008 08:55AM

Welcome Jesse Jr.

I understand your hurt. We have all experienced it. While I do not want to make any excuses for the church, I can say that church is made up of man. Man will let you down time and time again. It doesn't matter whether you are at work, at home, at church, etc. I think we put a higher expectation on our brothers and sisters in Christ and therefore become disenchanted when they act in ways that do not line up with scripture. Not all churches are created equal. You can actually find a fellowship that teaches God's truth, encourages you in your walk with Christ and is filled with geniune people. There is no perfect church, if so I couldn't join. :) What happened at RLC was not 'typical' church stuff. It was beyond that. Church can be a good place.

Karen Bianchini

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Re: Has Anyone Ever Heard of Radiant Life Church in Sacramento
Posted by: whatajoke ()
Date: October 30, 2008 09:44AM

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Deja Vu
Hey Jesse! My wife and I always wondered if the relationships were really real at RLC. Why? Because EVERY CHURCH and I mean EVERY CHURCH we ever attended were full of superficial relationships that were solid were based on the contingency whether or not you were in their ministry. Do you know what I mean? Nicole stated it in an earlier post, "FACTIONS". Radiant Life is just another church where even down to the actual ministry, if you went to another ministry, the friendship was belittled or even decimated. I never understood it.

I just wanted to comment on your above comment just to say that in my experience Radiant Life was the only church that I went to that was as you described. The other churches I went to growing up and through the years all had genuine relationship. It wasn't until I got to Radiant Life that I was made to feel like the other churches were no good and my experiences with other churches was not authentic. That the other churches could never measure up and were failing miserably. Tony in a very passive agressive way bashed other churches all the time. So did everyone else in leadership. I can tell you that it wasn't until after I left that I realized that the relationships I made at Southpointe Christian Center were real, they were authentic. Those brothers over there still call me to see how I am doing and I havent gone to church there on a regular basis for six years. When they found out I wasn't going to church much because of a bad experience and when they found out my mom passed away they called and kept calling with no strings attached. Just to encourage me and love me and let me know that they were there for me. It wasn't until I left Radiant Life that I realized that the church I grew up in had genuine christian community. Both of these churches loved me unconditionally and continue to love me no matter what church I am attending or where I am at in life. They don't do it with hollow words. With saying I love you over and over again to make you think they care. They do it with actions. With words that are backed up. I can say I have repented to all of these people for the attitude I was taught while at Radiant Life. I can also say that absolutely no one called when I stopped going to Soma and when I started not attending church. You know how many hollow pacts and covenants I participated in while in Soma in regards to looking out for each other. Many. One brother continued to call me not because I left but because he was interested in continuing his relationship with me. For that brother I say thank you but that also eventually slowed down and ended when I blew his hair back about always having to hear about his ministry, soma. and radiant life when he called. It seems like that is all he had to talk about. None of the ministry leaders that I labored with called. No pastors. Brandon finally found out like months later that I had some issues with some things that went on and to his credit asked to meet with me. I am grateful he gave me the opportunity to speak to him as I am guessing that he was questioning things at the time also but was not in a place yet to take action. I am starting to lose my train of thought on this post so I am going to exit now. I will post more later if I need to continue. Bless all of you. Thank you Jesse Jr for coming on here and being honest and forthright. I do not know you or your situation but am guessing that it was bold for you to come on here. Be true to God and be true to yourself.

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Re: Has Anyone Ever Heard of Radiant Life Church in Sacramento
Posted by: whatajoke ()
Date: October 30, 2008 10:04AM

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Deja Vu
Hey Jesse! Thanks for coming on here and posting. I am at fault for many people leaving and me seeing them as traitors or dangerous or the "just don't get it crowd". I am sorry for my arrogance to you and so many others. My wife and I always wondered if the relationships were really real at RLC. Why? Because EVERY CHURCH and I mean EVERY CHURCH we ever attended were full of superficial relationships that were solid were based on the contingency whether or not you were in their ministry. Do you know what I mean? Nicole stated it in an earlier post, "FACTIONS". Radiant Life is just another church where even down to the actual ministry, if you went to another ministry, the friendship was belittled or even decimated. I never understood it.

I want to give you a personal example of what I personally experienced regarding your comment above about the ministries and factions. I felt uneasy and always questioned things in the back of my mind from the start at Radiant Life. I saw things and heard things and just kind of blew them off for the longest time. But there was kind of a turning point for me as to when I really started looking at the realness of the church and whether the leader and people there in ministry were truly being led by the spirit or being led by man. I was involved in the Parks Outreach ministries. I faithfully participated week in and week out. I made great sacrifices at home to participate. I worked my butt off even to the point of dragging bricks long distances on dollys that had flat tires. I incurred all kinds of physical injury from this and from the breakthru activities. I did all this because I truly believed at the time that it lived in me to reach people for the gospel. I believed going to parks and talking to people in a public setting as such was what I was to do. Everything was going great in the ministry. Paul Childs and Ryan to a certain extent lead this ministry. I can not remember the exact date but somewhere around the summer of 07 maybe 06 if I am wrong, I noticed Paul Childs showing up and being kind of down in the dumps. Then he started showing up and instead of leading us he just kind of stood around like he didnt know what was going on with the ministry. I was very confused. I saw him in the lobby one day after the outreach and he was really down in the dumps. He said he didnt know what was goingon with the ministry but that he was still showing up. At this time there were anywhere from 20 to 50 people showing up at the church to participate. This included the whole Childs clan at Rio Cavodo and other friends like Aaron and Rick and Christian that whole crew. Well eventually I showed up one week and no Paul and only a handful of people. This went on for a few weeks. It was in disarray. No one knew what was going on. There was no leadership. There were only a handful of people showing up. Then one week Kevin Brown showed up and said that he was taking over the ministry. this was fine and dandy as Kevin is a great guy. I was told that Paul Childs was now going over to lead RWorship. My issue and it became a serious spiritual issue with me is that the ministry was huge with many people verbalizing that it lived in them to do what they were doing. The problem with all that is that everyone of Pauls gang went over to Rworship with him. It boggled my mind that one day they could say that this is what lived in them and then the next day follow a man instead of their heart or god. This is what I continually saw at Radiant Life. Leaders amassing their own followings. Wherever the leaders went the group went. This was so true in my experience that I just described. I discussed this with Brandon and we talked about the importance of following God and not man. To Brandons credit he understood and saw what I was talking about. I just ended up seeing a bunch of hypocrites in that situation and eventually it caused me to draw back. That was just the start of it and the rest you have already heard about or requires future posts. Anyway I just wanted to share that.

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Re: Has Anyone Ever Heard of Radiant Life Church in Sacramento
Posted by: Deja Vu ()
Date: October 30, 2008 11:19AM

Whatajoke,
I remember those times as well. Here is the truth to all of that and a real shortened version of the whole thing.

When the evangelism ministry took off in July of 2006 when Paul and I stumbled on a ministry opportunity at North Laguna Creek Park, it was an exciting opportunity. The first day we did a Break Thru show and 36 people responded to the preaching of the Gospel. Everyday for about 30 days straight, we preached in that Park and I believe we expanded to another park. Paul, Matt and I all said that, "watch, any day now "they"(Tony or Brandon) are going to call us in to put their "stamp" on this thing and are going to make it into an organized ministry. And as soon as they do it, watch what will happen. They will kill the ministry." At this point, we had about 50 people coming out. They were having so much fun. Some where for the "band waggon", while others were there for the ministry. After the 30 days, Brandon calls us in to his office and says that we need to get a grip on this thing and set a course for it. They began to talk of "strategic mapping" of parks to hit every saturday. Like we said, it became an organized ministry with all kinds of "EXPECTATIONS". What most of you don't know, is the "jockying" for position and the competition for numbers of salvation. If we were not hitting the numbers, we heard about it. If we did not hit all of our parks, Paul and I heard about it. It was all about making Brandon and Tony looking good. That is how it seemed. (Sorry Brandon if you are reading this. I am not trying to throw you under the bus, but just telling my side of the story). This evangelism ministry QUICKLY lost fervor and steam. It was no longer something WE ALL LOVED TO DO, but Paul and I began to lose focus and desire. The heavy expectation of us to perform for numbers began to transfer to those we led. I began to get depressed and hating to preach to the people because I knew it was fake. It reminded me of this scripture at the time which is why I quit preaching, " Matthew 23:15
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are."


WAJ, that is why you saw Paul the way you did. We both felt lost. They were starting to move Kevin in way before he took over. This is not Kevin's fault. I love KB. He is my bud. It is just how things happen at RLC. Anyways, this whole ordeal took place over a year time. Paul and I ran with the ministry for a little over a year. After that, I had to leave and soon after that, so did Paul. Trust me, even my friend Paul told me that I was FORFITTING the purposes and plans that God has for my life just because I was leaving the ministry. Anyhowm that is the true story of it all. I hope that helped.

-Ryan-

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Re: Has Anyone Ever Heard of Radiant Life Church in Sacramento
Posted by: Soma Notes ()
Date: October 30, 2008 12:41PM

Well now that Tony's church business is failing, he will likely join obama to create the ultimate socialist utopia...

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Re: Has Anyone Ever Heard of Radiant Life Church in Sacramento
Posted by: BraveHeart ()
Date: October 30, 2008 12:59PM

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Well now that Tony's church business is failing, he will likely join obama to create the ultimate socialist utopia...

SOMA NOTRES
You said it......!

Liberalism is a Cult!

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Re: Has Anyone Ever Heard of Radiant Life Church in Sacramento
Posted by: whatajoke ()
Date: October 30, 2008 01:26PM

Deja............... thank you so much for the information that you have provided. Thank you for telling it from your viewpoint and experience. I was so frustrated and confused at what was going on. Nobody would talk. I totally understand what you and Paul were up against now that you have explained it to me. KB is a great guy and just in the mix over there. The only problem I had and still have with it all is when you talk about factions. It seemed that all of pauls people followed paul when it was no longer chic and the in thing there. Their purpose and will was Pauls. I have spoken so much about him on here because he so negatively influenced me but I can tell you my heart also cries for what he has gone through. He is a good person but caught up along with many people trying to please tony. From my perspective though I believe fault lies in the leaders for not standing up and following god. I believe there was some reveling in what was being done and it sickened me all the emphasis on the numbers and not the people. It was like people were trying to figure it out as they went along. At one point it was described to me by Paul as being tactical like in the army. But what ended up happening is that it was just hit and miss. Get in and get out. Spread yourself all over the place. I also thought that the attitude was as long as souls were being saved anything was okay. That means disregard for rules, manners, courtesy. laws. etc. I would see whole groups walking right through the middle of the golf course at Land Park holding up golfers and laughing about it without a care inthe world. I saw a total lack of regard for rules and regulations and it seemed like it really started dying when people started complaining about all the people. I know the neighbors at southside complained constantly. Also there were laws regarding who can be at those playgrounds if they do not have children. those laws are to protect those that utilize the playgrounds. Anyway, I dont want to go off on that anymore. I sincerely appreciate you being up front and honest about what happened. I really felt I gave my heart and soul to you guys and that ministry and in the end that was my problem. I was giving it to you and that ministry although I felt I was giving it to god also. In a way I felt because of Tonys emphasis on Sundays that it was what he wanted. He glorified it so much. anyway, I love you bro for speaking out and being forthright with everything. Your presence on here has helped to change my attitude immensely.

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Re: Has Anyone Ever Heard of Radiant Life Church in Sacramento
Date: October 30, 2008 01:30PM

Michael Savage (talk radio) says liberalism is a mental disorder.

Maybe spiritual parenting is a mental disorder.
Maybe RLC's form of discipleship is a mental disorder.
It sure feels like it.
Maybe we have been looking at this all wrong....It's not a cult, it's a mental disorder.

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