Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: outreach ()
Date: September 08, 2010 08:04AM

Welcome little2late. Thanks for sharing. Hope you find fellowship in a healthy church, with the truth preached.
Outreach.


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TPCWOC. IT is amazing how God can build churches and shut them down. TPC was awesome at one time, I have never felt the presence of the lord until I attended a easter service in 2003. Life was good, small group was awesome, people were REAL. WHAT HAPPENED??? Man decided what to worship. They created an idol that was based on building the church up instead of building the Gospel up. TPC is the best church, we are the main reason for summer jubilee, we helped the city clean up the city, we have the best elders, our elders and pastors are worth imitating. Do you hear all the WE and our?? It's all about TPC and not about Jesus. After my wife and I left we have never been contacted by anyone. 5 years and gone like we never existed. That really humbled us how we depended on man to make us feel worthy, instead of relying on Jesus. The roots of this church are spoiled and contaminated and needs to be pulled out and re-planted. I really do pray for TPC that the Lord will show mercy and grace towards their rebuilding process. TPC is where i met Jesus for the first time, I will never forget that.

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Date: September 08, 2010 09:14AM

It would be possible you could find an attorney to take such a case on a contigency fee basis. I just don't think it would be practical and I would need the Lord to tell me that is how he wanted me to proceed before I walked down that road. After a year and a half, we have started to heal and move on. Did I request a refund -- yes! Have I contacted the State Attorney General -- yes! However in a law suit the only persons who profit are the lawyers, especially in a case like this. I think getting the State Attorney General's Office involved because if that office chose to investigate and found probable cause to support charges then justice is done and people will get closure without being dragged through litigation where old wounds are reopened and exposed in the most painful of ways. If enough people complain the state will have no choice but to investigate the solicitation of the Stewardship Campaign Funds and the subsequent misuse of those funds.

D of D



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D of D, would it be possible for the defrauded individuals to retain a lawyer and deal with this through a law office without it becoming public? Are there any lawyers who would be willing to pursue this for a percentage of the money that is recovered? I am obviously NOT legal savvy.

If Mike and Cyndi received legal papers in the mail regarding this (from those who wish to get on board with it--and we could contact people to let them know they have the option to do so), wouldn't M & C then need to get a lawyer themselves? THAT should make them take this seriously and consider what they might have done wrong.




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However, the case could still be dealt with effectively (holding the Villamors acocuntable) and yet quietly (not brining public shame on the name of Christ) by not contacting the media and by seeking to keep the case within the confines of mediation rather than going to trial. Maybe Daughter of Dorcas knows if and/or how this might best be accomplished.

First, Mike would have to wrap his mind around and accept that fact that he has done something wrong. Pursuant to the information provided from various sources at the time of his departure to Texas -- Mike is under the delusion that he has done nothing wrong. Based on information from various sources who all reported similar information about the account of the ""Sabbatical" requirement of Mike and Cyndi by the TPC elders, Mike wanted to negotiate to his advantage and agenda and that had nothing to do with submitting with humility to the requirements of the TPC elders on him. Mike was used to having those around him be willing to compromise or give in to his will rather than Mike submitting in humility to anyone including the Elders. Short of Mike having a revelation from the Lord similar to Paul's revelation on the Damascus Road and submitting with humility to the type of action you propose, there is nothing anyone can do. However, former TPC members who are interested in getting a refund of their donation, because the money was used in a manner which had nothing to do with the purpose that the money was solicited for, could file a complaint with the Washington State Attorney Generals Office if TPC fails to respond promptly to their refund request. If the State Attorney General's office could choose to investigate Mike and TPC if they received enough complaints from individuals for the same issue, ie the misuse of stewardship funds and the failure to notify and offer refunds to those who donated when TPC started using the Stewardship for everything except what it was intended for including a source of $50K in severance pay for Mike.

D of D

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: Saddened ()
Date: September 08, 2010 10:53PM

When TPC attempts to control the behavior and rights of its members are the staff, elders, and deacons any different than the the Sadducees and Pharisees of Jesus time on earth?

In the last week I have read posts and heard comments by people who have said they will get in trouble or have been in trouble for expressing their personal opinion and/or thoughts in public or on Facebook. My question is does attendance at TPC mean that you cannot state your opinion, question, disclose personal observations of wrong doing, or criticize wrong doing that former attendees and current members have witnessed first hand? I have read posts which mention retaliation and retribution for diverting from the accepted face that TPC chooses to present to the world. If citizenship in this country gives us freedom of religion and speech is it right for TPC to abridge a rigtht because they don't like someone thinks, says, or writes? If they celebrate freedom to worship God then they must embrace the right of desenters to communicate their thoughts, ideas, and opinions without fear of retaliation or retribution from pastors, elders, or deacons. That includes all locations of TPC. TPC Skagit has been reported to follow in TPC Marysville's lead in this matter. TPC can agree to disagree with desenters and/or members, but TPC members, former members, and desenters have the right to their thoughts, opinions, and ideas as well as the right to speak about them to others. If TPC leadership wants to celebrate the right to worship God then they must also celebrate the rights of members and desenters to speak out.

Saddened



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/08/2010 11:00PM by Saddened.

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: little2late ()
Date: September 08, 2010 11:51PM

That is so true saddened... TPC leadership does not like to hear about repentance, if you repent than there is something wrong with you and the leadership. They just can not handle that. They think everything they do bears good fruit and if you have any issues, make sure to keep them to yourself and do not speak to anyone else about it. Repenting should not be looked down upon it should be welcomed with open arms and forgiveness. My family gave alot to the stewardship campaign also but when we did give we gave it to Jesus not TPC. We prayed, Lord let your will be done. Maybe this is his will, maybe he intended for the moneys to be gone for the truth to come out. Regardless of what happened to our $$$ we gave it to the lord and only he can bring judgement on what exactly happened to it. I will continue to pray for TPC that they will repent, ask for forgiveness and get back to the Gospel.

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: little2late ()
Date: September 09, 2010 12:24AM

Thank you Outreach for welcoming me. Yes we did find a Gospel centered church. I can't believe how quickly the Lord responded. We thought it would take along time before we joined a different church and I am so grateful that the lord did not let me cal-less my heart over all this.. Hearing the true Gospel preached every Sunday is like a new breath of fresh air. It is so awesome to feel the holy spirit again. Verse by verse, even through the hard stuff that TPC would not address because it would make people uncomfortable. Happy, happy, joy, joy, fake, fake, fake is over for us.

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: buddy ()
Date: September 09, 2010 05:12AM

TPCWOC home web site: MarketPlace Ministry and false prosperity positive confession word-faith movement speaker, teacher, directors picture has been removed from the TPCWOC web site under Ministries

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: Saddened ()
Date: September 09, 2010 07:35AM

Sorry Buddy, don't know if it has already been there but I found this under small groups:

MarketPlace Ministries , 4th Tuesday 7pm
Leader: Ken Ralston, kenr@myvirtual-it.com 360.653.1822 360.653.1822
Location: Tulalip Resort in Marysville

I do not see a 24/7 CASINO as an appropriate spot for church gatherings, but maybe I am old fashioned.

Saddened

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Date: September 09, 2010 08:39AM

What is it with pastors who lead churches with the phrase "world outreach center" in its name?

[www.thesmokinggun.com]

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Date: September 09, 2010 11:29AM

We got a letter from the Attorney General's office and they want to know about complaints by folks who feel they should have been given the chance to decide whether they wanted there money back when TPC decided to use it in ways and for expenditures that the Stewardship Campaign Donations were never meant to be used for. It seems that churches (clergy) and politicians are exempt from the Consumer Protection Laws of Washington State. Imagine that! So I am going to make telephone calls tomorrow to find out about filing a lawsuit in small claims court and what the $$$ amount limits are for that route and what the costs would be. I will let you know what I find out.

D of D

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: LearningPoint ()
Date: September 09, 2010 01:26PM

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We got a letter from the Attorney General's office and they want to know about complaints by folks who feel they should have been given the chance to decide whether they wanted there money back when TPC decided to use it in ways and for expenditures that the Stewardship Campaign Donations were never meant to be used for. It seems that churches (clergy) and politicians are exempt from the Consumer Protection Laws of Washington State. Imagine that! So I am going to make telephone calls tomorrow to find out about filing a lawsuit in small claims court and what the $$$ amount limits are for that route and what the costs would be. I will let you know what I find out.

D of D


Thanks for the update, DoD. We'll stay tuned for the rest. I wish M & C could be held personally responsible, since they were exercising a totalitarian-type authority at TP.

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