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nooneofanyimportence
It would be nice if Jeff Barnes , for his last month, took the time to be clear about mikes actions, and about the real findings of the evidence against Jackie. If he would leave with a clear concience and just be transparent, I realize he was taught by mike and cyndi to protect thier reputations, even at the expense of someone elses, but its time for him to quit protecting a reputation that doesnt deserve it.

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nooneofanyimportence
It would be nice if Jeff Barnes , for his last month, took the time to be clear about mikes actions, and about the real findings of the evidence against Jackie. If he would leave with a clear concience and just be transparent, I realize he was taught by mike and cyndi to protect thier reputations, even at the expense of someone elses, but its time for him to quit protecting a reputation that doesnt deserve it.

AMEN AMEN!

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buddy
TPCWOC Home Web site seems to be down or missing today! Whats going on? Maybe its my computer or it could be the next cover up hide and spin cult tactic! Maybe they our putting make-up on the Web site to make it look like a new fresh start now that all the leaders are leaving the state.

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buddy
TPCWOC Home Web site seems to be down or missing today! Whats going on? Maybe its my computer or it could be the next cover up hide and spin cult tactic! Maybe they our putting make-up on the Web site to make it look like a new fresh start now that all the leaders are leaving the state.

Looks like they failed to pay to keep the domain web space.

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In the 70s I was part of several evangelical groups at a time when in New Zealand there was a rise in religious excitement and more people were becoming christians.
As a result of this I cared deeply for and was praying for about 30 of my friends and was surprised when my own elders effectively disfellowshipped me for having contact with people who were not baptized as we believe they should be.
When I left to go to university with in a year or so two groups where I had a close relationship with the leader collapsed because the leader had been having sex with the girls, with one case going to court for a man so popular and well known that a child wrote a letter to 'Uncle Sid' put it in the mail system and it was delivered. (Nelson New Zealand)
In the next phase of my life I met and interacted with Pentecostal leaders who were wantabe mega church leaders, and suffered from spiritual abuse from some of them who saw the need to control me, so that I wouldn't in any way destroy their ambition.
Is there a link between the lack of respect for a precious fellow human being, exploiting them in a physical way to get sexual gratification- born out of lust; and the same lack of respect which allows leaders to abuse those who trust them and expect protection from them in accordance with sound religion. ?
When the bible says "Witchcraft is a fruit of the flesh" can we turn that around and say that manipulation will produce as a fruit sins of the flesh which can be judged in a legal system as being unacceptable human behavior ?
And finally did I remember reading somewhere Jesus saying something about "fruit" when deciding things ?
Three questions there but I would appreciate your wisdom on this-paul

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To All:

I visited a new church yesterday. The Pastor was standing up front and then his wife stood next to him and started speaking about how people were healed when they touched the hem of Jesus garment and about having faith in being healed.

She then stated that the Pastor is a representative of Jesus Christ. Therefore all who were sick should come up and touch the pastor. Many from the congregation went up to touch the Pastor for healing. I did not go up and do this because it felt off to me. I am familiar with the scripture that states "Is anyone sick among you , let the elders anoint them, etc. But this did not seem to follow this scripture.

Then the Pastor stated that all that came to him that touched him would be blessed. Well since I did not go and touch him, I guess I'm not blessed.

I had a very uneasy feeling about this. It did not seem right to me. Felt a little like the Faith Movement scenario.

What do you all think of this?

Also, I am still visiting churches and have not felt a good fit yet. Can any of you tell me of some of the churches you feel are good ones that preach the pure gospel of Jesus Christ?[/quote

please tell us the name of this church so we can avoid it. yes one woman touched the hem of Jesus's robe.. not this pastors. Jesus did NOT heal everyone He chose who He healed for His purposes. Paul wasnt healed God grace was sufficient. this kinda activity sickens me.