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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: Forgiveness_101 ()
Date: February 23, 2009 04:33PM

Hi guys,

I have been doing research, in fact i have been talking with several ex-elders from RLC. This is proving to be very intresting, as i am having to pray more, and up my accountablity because Satan is making things more tempting or he is throwing things more my way. It is really sobering because i know that the enemy is not Mike or Tony. Tony is being used by the devil, but he is still human, and its hard but i pray for him before i do my research. Tony is decieving Mike, once mike realizes this, which apparently from a second hand sorce, that some leaders have admitted and have realized that he is not accountable, so thats a step in the right direction although about 5 years too late. I hope he finds true accountablity and not the elders, whom seem more like YES MEN than real accountablity.
So till i have more eveidence i will post then.
Till then can't wait to hear what Tony has to say to my friends at SOMA.

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: Brokenhearted ()
Date: February 23, 2009 10:20PM

Does anyone know how many people/families have left TP in the last few weeks? What about Deacons? Have any deacons voiced an opinion about what's going on. I know the elders wouldn't dare speak, but I've heard that at least three deacons have voiced a concern. Is this a canned response "yes, I have some concerns, but I'm waiting it out", or has anyone here spoken directly to a deacon that is seriously considering leaving?

Apparently SOMA students are now being told to ask questions. Is this a step in the right direction or is it a PR stunt?

I agree with M&M, if one at a time go, they can somewhat be ignored and dismissed, but if several people (elders, deacons, laymen) step up and say enough is enough, then perhaps there would be repentance, healing and true salvation.....perhaps.

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: wherefromhere ()
Date: February 23, 2009 10:44PM

I am wondering what Tony Cunningham is going to teach our soma students about what has happened down at Radiant Life's crumbling kingdom, where most of his staff has resigned. It had to be serious for Tony to lose his Spiritual son Brandon Miller. Maybe the resigning of Pastor Jackie is just the begining for Pastor Mike and Cindy's crumbling kingdom. Look around, families are starting to leave. It is very noticable to many of us. It has to be serious for Pastor Jackie to resign. Knowing she has been the heart of TPC for the last 11 or 12 years. Who will take her place, Pastor Cindy? Cindy is one of the coldest women I have ever met. I tried for years to talk to her, but she never gave of herself one time. I have one issue that just tears me up, when they returned from their supposed rest filled sabbactical how she flaunted their buying a new harley for her. Didnt she understand that so many were not even able to put groceries on their tables. It must be nice for the Pastor Mike to make over 100,000.00 a year and the rest of us are trying to just make ends meet. The church is in financial trouble, yet the senior pastors make an inexcusable salary. What has happened that we cant buy kleenix for the sanctuary and yet we send groups down to Lebanon and pay for gas, and food all from church funds. Where does the money come from? Mike and Cindy's salary? I do not know what Pastor Cindy makes, but I know it is more than all the other pastors and she doesnt work full time. Why does the church hide staff salaries? would we be shocked? I myself am shocked at the salary the Pastor Mike makes. And I know that if you included his soma salary it would be much more. What is going on? Who leaves next? I am hurt and do not trust leadership anymore. I can barely pay my rent and it is not because I havent prayed for increase, I always tithed. But God is fatihful and has supplied all our NEEDS!

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Date: February 23, 2009 11:05PM

wherefromhere it is totaly heartbreaking what is going on at a place we all love and sacraficed for, it feels like im in a nightmare everytime I read a post like yours that states exactly what I have been thinking and seeing. delusions of grandure have overtaken sanity, We MUST pray that veils be liffted from blind eyes,

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: BraveHeart ()
Date: February 23, 2009 11:41PM

I understand the hurt you people are facing. You have a good group of people at your church yes real believers and real Christians. However you have some people in high levels of leadership that are embracing this false doctrine. Yes they are in areas of leadership that will lead believers astray. Because people like Mike and some of your elders have gone over to the dark side it will be difficult to remove them from their positions of leadership. I am sure that they have manipulated the Bi-laws of the church....and let me guess you people don't have the ability to vote mike out or censure the false teachers that have hijacked your church….. That is what has happened at Radiant Life of Sacramento....

Remember the congregation has the power to overthrow these wolves but you need to be united! That is the strategy the wolf uses. The wolf will come into the flock and stir it up as to split and divide any hint of unity. Then the wolf will look for the weakest and start it’s killing, or in this case turning people over to the dark side.

BraveHeart

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: buddy ()
Date: February 23, 2009 11:53PM

Questions, Questions, Questions! Does anybody have the top 10 Question to help are SOMA friends out when Tony the Tiger shows up at TPWOC? Does anybody have the top 10 Questions to ask Mike and Cindy?

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: BraveHeart ()
Date: February 24, 2009 12:07AM

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wherefromhere
I am wondering what Tony Cunningham is going to teach our soma students about what has happened down at Radiant Life's crumbling kingdom, where most of his staff has resigned. It had to be serious for Tony to lose his Spiritual son Brandon Miller. Maybe the resigning of Pastor Jackie is just the begining for Pastor Mike and Cindy's crumbling kingdom. Look around, families are starting to leave. It is very noticable to many of us. It has to be serious for Pastor Jackie to resign. Knowing she has been the heart of TPC for the last 11 or 12 years. Who will take her place, Pastor Cindy? Cindy is one of the coldest women I have ever met. I tried for years to talk to her, but she never gave of herself one time. I have one issue that just tears me up, when they returned from their supposed rest filled sabbactical how she flaunted their buying a new harley for her. Didnt she understand that so many were not even able to put groceries on their tables. It must be nice for the Pastor Mike to make over 100,000.00 a year and the rest of us are trying to just make ends meet. The church is in financial trouble, yet the senior pastors make an inexcusable salary. What has happened that we cant buy kleenix for the sanctuary and yet we send groups down to Lebanon and pay for gas, and food all from church funds. Where does the money come from? Mike and Cindy's salary? I do not know what Pastor Cindy makes, but I know it is more than all the other pastors and she doesnt work full time. Why does the church hide staff salaries? would we be shocked? I myself am shocked at the salary the Pastor Mike makes. And I know that if you included his soma salary it would be much more. What is going on? Who leaves next? I am hurt and do not trust leadership anymore. I can barely pay my rent and it is not because I havent prayed for increase, I always tithed. But God is fatihful and has supplied all our NEEDS!

in these ecconomic times..... a Harley?

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: buddy ()
Date: February 24, 2009 12:16AM

1. What evidence is there that Mike or Tony are Apostles?

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: Brokenhearted ()
Date: February 24, 2009 12:26AM

Learning to navigate the waters.....

Once you've made the decision to leave, what's next? Do you tell others, what exactly do you tell them? Who do you tell?

My spouse has warned me, to guard my heart. There was fear that I was becoming bitter. I can't say that I've mastered that, but I'm doing better.

I've found myself in a couple of awkward situations, where an aquaintance was asking questions, but not questions that would lead to truth, it was just idle curiousity. I must confess, that I worry about my reputation a little too much. I don't want to be *branded* as someone that's just causing trouble, being divisive and spreading rumors. At the same time, I am very much concerned for the souls of those following these false teachings.

I've been praying for direction and discernment. I trust that the Holy Spirit will lead me, but I worry that at times I talk too much, more than the Lord would have of me. I wonder if anyone has a few guidelines that would help me to know when to just shut up, before I reach that point of realizing that I've already said too much?

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: buddy ()
Date: February 24, 2009 12:49AM

The Sermons are on line now at the TPWOC web site for last Sunday service: Recession proof your family: Pastor Jeff Moors might of Hit a Home run with his sermon! I cheated and fast forwarded to get towards the end! Because of Time, I will go back and listen to all of it! Pastor Mike seems to be stuck on this Increase teaching in his sermon! Let me know what you think!

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