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Another "Decision Translation" shown before on this forum, is worth repeating with additions. [forum.culteducation.com
Understanding God's Government By Paul W. Syltie quote: "All Authority Inserted into Titus 2:15: The KJV reads: "These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee". In English, it sounds like Paul is telling Titus that he has "all authority" over the brethren-as a king or dictator might. The Greek words for "all authority" are pas and epitage. The latter word is used five other times in the New Testament (Rom 16:26, 1 Cor 7:6.24; 2Cor 8:8, 1Tim1:1, Tit1:3). In all these cases epitage is translated "commandement" and refers to a commandement of the Eternal. The incorrect use of "authority" makes it sound like Titus was the rebuking authority, not the Eternal commandments. Also, the Greek pas is translated "every" 117 out of 1.243 times. When pas is used with a word that trepresents a "class of items", pas refers to "every itme in the class." This verse would be much more consistently translated if it said "rebuke with every commandment". Titus was correct the brethren using every commandement of the Father and Christ.
There are 7 verses in the New Testament which use epitage
. In 6 cases epitage
is traditionally translated "commandment
", in reference to the commandment of G-d.Ro 16:26
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting G-d,
made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:1Co 7:6
But I speak this by permission
, and not of commandment
Notice Pau's rhetorical nature. Does that sound like someone who speaks with "all authority"? Paul speaks with permission
, in this case.1Co 7:25
Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord
: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
Again notice the rhetorical nature of Paul. Paul makes distinction between "my judgment" and "commandment
of the Lord". Also, notice that when Paul says he gives his judgment
it is done so by having obtained the mercy of the Lord to be faithful
. Not deceitful
for an extremist political agenda, but faithful.2Co 8:8 I speak not by commandment
, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.
Again notice the rhetorical nature of Paul making distinction between Paul's "words", and the commandment
of G-d.1Ti 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of G-d our Saviour
, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;Tit 1:3
But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment
of G-d our Saviour;Tit 2:15
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority.
In all these cases epitage
is used of the "commandment
of G-d" If you notice the entire chapter of Titus 2, it is a list of commandments not of Paul, but of Jesus. So it appears Syltie the logic is sound and consistent with other Biblical directions. Syltie does make the error of saying " The latter word is used five other times in the New Testament (Rom 16:26, 1 Cor 7:6.24; 2Cor 8:8, 1Tim1:1, Tit1:3).", but you can see 6 other verses are listed in the same sentence, instead of 5. And it is 1 Cor 7:25, not 1 Cor 7:24.
after "every item in a list" can be translated "every".
I think, Titus 2:15 with "pas epigate
" should read: "These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with every commandment (of G-d
)". In this case, Paul doesn't say speak with all permission
]), Nor does Paul say speak using "judgment"
] , but speak, exhort, and rebuke (to the sheep you are equipping) with every commandment of G-d. These are commandments of G-d, not Paul, in the prior list in Titus.
With all of Thieme's "corrected translations", rewordings of the Bible, and "greek training", shouldn't Thieme have noticed this? Shouldn't have Thieme mentioned this? Not if "it fits your agenda".
Who has "all authority" in any case? Is that not G-d? Does not satan "an angel of light" and his false teachers seek "all authority" and dominion? through the Bible and any other means?
2 Corinthians 1:24 King James Bible "Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.
I have more proofs on Thieme's myth of Reich Pastor later...
Don't trust me. Test me.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/01/2011 10:56AM by Truthtesty.