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I apologize, this statement in the above post needs to be reviewed: "He is correct when he relates the Sin offering with sprinkling in Heb. 12:24 with proof of the context being Heb. 13:12.
"This is a very involved study. As before, I request that everyone do thier own study and double-check what I have said. I welcome debate and correction.
It appears to me that a basic difference any different version of Christianity within Christianity, is based on the interpretation of types of the Hebrew sacrifices and thier corresponding antitypes in the New Testament.
I recommend reading Sacrifice and priesthood: Jewish and Christian By Sydney Charles Gayford
and compare it with the Stibbs and Morris documents "the meaning of the word 'Blood' in scripture" and "The biblical use of the term 'blood', respectively".
This book is a very detailed study of Jewish sacrifices and it's exegetical relation to the Sacrifice of Jesus. I cannot properly represent it in all it's entire scientific study today. But I can see quickly that one major difference between SC Gayford and Morris/Stibbs is on the "Heavenly Offering"-the Work of Jesus after his human death on Calvary. Stibbs makes one mention of Ascension and Morris makes no mention at all that I could tell.
Gayford in quick summary states that "the Blood of Christ" refers us to a sacrificial work belonging to the ressurection-life.
In the introduction of "Sacrifice and priesthood: Jewish and Christian" By Sydney Charles Gayford
Gayford says that "I hope and believe it may serve as an eirenicon between the Catholic and Evangelical schools of thought not only within the Anglican Communion but also in other Christian bodies...What I have tried to do is justify this conception of Sacrifice by a detailed study of the Jewish Sacrifices and the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ(chiefly as treated in the Epistle to the Hebrews), and then to show that it leads to a view of the Eucharistic Sacrifice, which includes all that a faithful Catholic would demand as essential, and at the same time nothing which the Evangelical is bound by his principles to reject...Needless controversy is created by using words in different senses...In any case, it would be a great step in the right direction of peace if we could speak of the "Eucharistic Offering" rather than the "Eucharistic Sacrifice."..."
Gayford p.145 "...The Priestly work in the Ascended life is confined to pleading by a Sacrifice finished "once and for all" on Calvary. This is the ordinary "Evangelical" or "Protestant" view of the Sacrifice of Christ, but may also be fairly called the ordinary "Roman" view as well, in so far as it is implied in the common expression(as old as St. Ambrose)," the altar of the Cross."..."
Gayford speaks of the paralelling verses in Hebrews 9:1-8 (Old Testament-Aaronic High Priest on the Day of Atonement) and Hebrews 9:11,12,24,25 (New Testament-Jesus as High Priest in Heaven)
Gayford p.151: "It will be seen that in both cases the Death of the Victim is presupposed as an already accomplished fact before the Priestly work is begun. The Heavenly Shechinah (verse 24) is the scene of the of the Priestly Ministry; the entry into that Sanctuary marks the time of His Ascension into Heaven, where He will abide until His Second Coming(verse 25-28; cf. Acts I. II).
It will be noticed that Our Lord is said outright in verse 25 to "offer Himself" in the Heavenly Sanctuary,... In verse 24 this offering of Himself is called "to appear before the Face of God...He is said to appear before the Face of God for us...It is a mediatorial Offering of Himself. The words link this Sacrificial Offering with the Heavenly intercession of Heb. vii. 25; Rom. viii 34, and in turn we are reminded that the word "intercession" is wide enough to include the thought of a sacrificial Offering for others...(I) Our Lord has but one Priesthood-after the order of Melchizeedek. (2) He entered upon the exercise of that Priesthood(if not upon the office itself, as Heb. v. 5 and 10 seems to imply)after His Death. (3) The scene of His Ministry is the Heavenly Temple. (4) He offers Himself, His Blood; and this Priestly Offering is the anti-type to the offering of the Blood in the Holy of Holies on the Day of Atonement...The Sacrifice of Christ is One in so far as He is Sacrificer and Victim
, as a completed act of past time, accomplished at the moment of His Death. That is the significance of the saying from the Cross, "It is finished." The source of the atoning power of His Sacrifice is the Cross, and the Cross alone. He "made there by His One Oblation of Himself once offered, a full, perfect, and sufficient Sacrifice, Oblation, and satisfaction for the sins of the whole world...It is...One Sacrifice ... He is the Priest...entered "once and for all"(Heb. ix. 12) into the Holy of Holies...to offer Himself for us...One final point...to the Heavenly Offering...a completed act of past time or as a continued action...as is implied in the phrase, "the perpetual offering"? The answer really turns on the meaning of the passages, Heb. i 3, vii. 27, x. 12-14..."
Continuing with Gayford p.156 "Christ "is a Priest for ever, not by a perpetual series of acts of memory, not by multiplied and ever-remoter acts of commemoration of a death that is past, but by the eternal presentation of a life which is eternally the 'life that died'1." 1.Moberly, "Ministerial Priesthood," p.246 [books.google.com
To me the evidence is obvious that Jesus continued to "Work" after death. Every Christian agrees he was ressurected and offered his life to God in sacrifice (that is a continuing ongoing perfect eternal life-giving sacrifice of the "Blood of Christ")
Another basic concept that appears to be in agreement with Gayford is the "Blood of Abel" spoke "after apparent (to us) human death action" and so the "Blood of Christ" "speaketh better things" this also would be after-death action, in one synecdochial sense.
I could not find a full view of "Sacrifice and priesthood: Jewish and Christian?" By Sydney Charles Gayford [books.google.com
However Gayford does reference:Milligan's view of the Blood of Christ on this page, see: [books.google.com
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/01/2010 04:31AM by Truthtesty.