Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
truthseek
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Date: April 30, 2009 04:05PM
kcjones
I sent you a private email. It bounced back so I re-sent it. If you do not receive it today, will you let me know by a posted email?
I sent you a private email. It bounced back so I re-sent it. If you do not receive it today, will you let me know by a posted email?
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
truthseek
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Date: April 30, 2009 04:57PM
truthtesty said (April 29 page 154):
"Your mom is a very sensitive issue and I think it best to ask questions and let her reach her own conclusions. For example: 1 John 2:27. This verse directly contradicts Thieme's false teaching of right pastor. However, without commenting, I suggest just asking her what she thinks it means."
truthseek says:
I have noticed that members of this website are very sensitive about protecting family relationships. I really like that.
I may try asking my mom a couple questions some time.
truthlover says,
"I understand completely. In my case, it is my daughter and her husband who are in bondage to this system. She was at Berachah from the time she was a baby, and has never known anything else. I have so many regrets about this, and I have tried to apologize to her for it. But she is actually thankful to her parents for introducing her to "Bible Doctrine". Even though she's a very intelligent person, this mindset has been infused in her brain and she will not consider anything else. If I want any kind of relationship with her, I cannot talk about it. And since we live in different states, there is not much opportunity to show her how my life has changed for the better."
truthseek says,
I really feel for you. But you simply did what you believed was the right thing for your daughter when you introduced her to Berachah. You did it out of love and I believe that anything done out of love has positive power. This will turn out ok for your daughter and her husband eventually.
It is interesting that your situation is the exact opposite to mine as my mother is the one still strongly connected to Thieme. My mother is also an intelligent person. In her case I think that the fact that Thieme promotes himself as having more knowledge than other pastors is what attracted her in the first place. Thieme has an extremely persuasive manner. He carries an air of confident conviction that is can be difficult to see through. He has fooled many intelligent people. I was also in the church from a very young age. I think I may have been around 6 when I first went there but before that my parents were tapers and incorporated Thieme into their parenting. It is difficult to know why one person rebels against something and another person accepts it.
On another Thieme topic:
As an adult, I find it very odd that Thieme riducules "soft pastors" as the profession of pastor is not a "hard" profession. It is not a job like a policeman, soldier, or professional wrestler where a person is expected to be tough. Pastor is one of the helping professions. Since the object of the profession is God and "God is love" a pastor behaving in a harsh course manner seems rather strange to me. Anyway, what is wrong with being nice? Thieme behaved like there was something wrong with a nice pastor. There is however something wrong with being rude and insulting. What is coming out of the pulpit of Berachah church is nothing other than hatespeech. Can it possibly be the will of God that name calling, insults, and filthy hateful language issue from the lips of one who has been "called by God" to teach and guide his children?
"Your mom is a very sensitive issue and I think it best to ask questions and let her reach her own conclusions. For example: 1 John 2:27. This verse directly contradicts Thieme's false teaching of right pastor. However, without commenting, I suggest just asking her what she thinks it means."
truthseek says:
I have noticed that members of this website are very sensitive about protecting family relationships. I really like that.
I may try asking my mom a couple questions some time.
truthlover says,
"I understand completely. In my case, it is my daughter and her husband who are in bondage to this system. She was at Berachah from the time she was a baby, and has never known anything else. I have so many regrets about this, and I have tried to apologize to her for it. But she is actually thankful to her parents for introducing her to "Bible Doctrine". Even though she's a very intelligent person, this mindset has been infused in her brain and she will not consider anything else. If I want any kind of relationship with her, I cannot talk about it. And since we live in different states, there is not much opportunity to show her how my life has changed for the better."
truthseek says,
I really feel for you. But you simply did what you believed was the right thing for your daughter when you introduced her to Berachah. You did it out of love and I believe that anything done out of love has positive power. This will turn out ok for your daughter and her husband eventually.
It is interesting that your situation is the exact opposite to mine as my mother is the one still strongly connected to Thieme. My mother is also an intelligent person. In her case I think that the fact that Thieme promotes himself as having more knowledge than other pastors is what attracted her in the first place. Thieme has an extremely persuasive manner. He carries an air of confident conviction that is can be difficult to see through. He has fooled many intelligent people. I was also in the church from a very young age. I think I may have been around 6 when I first went there but before that my parents were tapers and incorporated Thieme into their parenting. It is difficult to know why one person rebels against something and another person accepts it.
On another Thieme topic:
As an adult, I find it very odd that Thieme riducules "soft pastors" as the profession of pastor is not a "hard" profession. It is not a job like a policeman, soldier, or professional wrestler where a person is expected to be tough. Pastor is one of the helping professions. Since the object of the profession is God and "God is love" a pastor behaving in a harsh course manner seems rather strange to me. Anyway, what is wrong with being nice? Thieme behaved like there was something wrong with a nice pastor. There is however something wrong with being rude and insulting. What is coming out of the pulpit of Berachah church is nothing other than hatespeech. Can it possibly be the will of God that name calling, insults, and filthy hateful language issue from the lips of one who has been "called by God" to teach and guide his children?
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
Truthtesty
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Date: May 02, 2009 09:58AM
Truthseek:
No. Thieme pushes his masters degree from DTS in everyone's face as his "authority to teach" Yet? Thieme turned on DTS. So what real evidence is there? Where's Thieme's authority to teach? Other than yelling and screaming? Other than intimidation of the Houston police department? Other than what Thieme learned in the US military. Those are corrupt human authorities.
If Thieme were called by -od then why would Thieme misrepresent the Word of -od? Why would Thieme misrepresent simple facts in greek lexicons? That anyone could find his errors if they tried? Because they were either abused and sent away or they were hoodwinked and too weak to look for the truth themself.
If Thieme were called by -od then why could he not handle debate with "soft pastors"? Or pastors who were supposedly not "learned"? Or pastors who were supposedly more "learned"?
The problem with Thieme was Thieme. Thieme made his own bed. Is it theoretically possible that the Holy Spirit could reach into the good faith of Christians at Berachah? Certainly. Is it not written that the Holy Spirit can go anywhere?, even confronting the worst of evil? But? Does that mean Thieme was "teaching all things"? No.
It is written 1 John 2:27 the annointing teacheth you all things. There is no need for any man to teach you. The annointing had not 1 thing to do with Thieme. It is the perfect authority of the Holy Spirit that teaches "all things". It is truth and not one single lie.
Paul guided to the Holy Spirit. To Paul "things" were rhetorically significant. "Test all things" "to the pure ALL THINGS are pure". Etc... That is one reason a pastor or a teacher can at best "guide" t
To -od.
Thieme was dedicated. But? So was Hitler. Dedication even extreme can not be used as a sole criteria for what is good and or true.
Truthtesty
No. Thieme pushes his masters degree from DTS in everyone's face as his "authority to teach" Yet? Thieme turned on DTS. So what real evidence is there? Where's Thieme's authority to teach? Other than yelling and screaming? Other than intimidation of the Houston police department? Other than what Thieme learned in the US military. Those are corrupt human authorities.
If Thieme were called by -od then why would Thieme misrepresent the Word of -od? Why would Thieme misrepresent simple facts in greek lexicons? That anyone could find his errors if they tried? Because they were either abused and sent away or they were hoodwinked and too weak to look for the truth themself.
If Thieme were called by -od then why could he not handle debate with "soft pastors"? Or pastors who were supposedly not "learned"? Or pastors who were supposedly more "learned"?
The problem with Thieme was Thieme. Thieme made his own bed. Is it theoretically possible that the Holy Spirit could reach into the good faith of Christians at Berachah? Certainly. Is it not written that the Holy Spirit can go anywhere?, even confronting the worst of evil? But? Does that mean Thieme was "teaching all things"? No.
It is written 1 John 2:27 the annointing teacheth you all things. There is no need for any man to teach you. The annointing had not 1 thing to do with Thieme. It is the perfect authority of the Holy Spirit that teaches "all things". It is truth and not one single lie.
Paul guided to the Holy Spirit. To Paul "things" were rhetorically significant. "Test all things" "to the pure ALL THINGS are pure". Etc... That is one reason a pastor or a teacher can at best "guide" t
To -od.
Thieme was dedicated. But? So was Hitler. Dedication even extreme can not be used as a sole criteria for what is good and or true.
Truthtesty
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
truthlover
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Date: May 02, 2009 11:44AM
Truthseek,
Thank you for the encouragement, but I'm afraid my parenting skills were not the best. The authoritarian teaching tends to spill over into other parts of your life. It sounds like that is what happened in your family also.
I was a taper in another state before moving to Houston. I attended a small church where the pastor was a "Thieme clone". There is a definite draw to intellectualism by the "superior knowledge" of a pastor who knows the original languages. And the ridicule of all other churches and pastors makes it seem like no other church would be good enough. Usually a very critical judgemental attitude develops toward them....I call it spiritual arrogance. You can become "trapped" in this system because you believe there is no place else to go.
I was a believer only a short while before being introduced to Thieme's teaching, so I did not experience the true Christian love that exists where the Holy Spirit is present. I really did not know what to look for. Thieme always made it seem like showing love toward others, or demonstrating any emotionalism was phony. Now I am sure he did not know what God's love really is, and therefore never had any to give to his congregation. His warped version of love was really indifference and not love at all.
I will be on vacation for the next two weeks and will not be posting until I return.
Blessings,
Truthlover
Thank you for the encouragement, but I'm afraid my parenting skills were not the best. The authoritarian teaching tends to spill over into other parts of your life. It sounds like that is what happened in your family also.
I was a taper in another state before moving to Houston. I attended a small church where the pastor was a "Thieme clone". There is a definite draw to intellectualism by the "superior knowledge" of a pastor who knows the original languages. And the ridicule of all other churches and pastors makes it seem like no other church would be good enough. Usually a very critical judgemental attitude develops toward them....I call it spiritual arrogance. You can become "trapped" in this system because you believe there is no place else to go.
I was a believer only a short while before being introduced to Thieme's teaching, so I did not experience the true Christian love that exists where the Holy Spirit is present. I really did not know what to look for. Thieme always made it seem like showing love toward others, or demonstrating any emotionalism was phony. Now I am sure he did not know what God's love really is, and therefore never had any to give to his congregation. His warped version of love was really indifference and not love at all.
I will be on vacation for the next two weeks and will not be posting until I return.
Blessings,
Truthlover
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
Truthtesty
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Date: May 02, 2009 09:14PM
To the forum:
It is true for some that there is a draw for intellectualism. However, could Thieme be trusted to use knowledge to be faithful?
The evidence shows in many cases, the answer is no.
I am also skeptical of Thieme's claim of "knowing the original languages". Thieme has made many claims, but the evidence of careful review shows that many of Thieme's claims were false.
On this website there is a case where a greek student tried to question Thieme after class about a greek error. And the person was escorted from the building by Thieme's goon squad.
There is also another case where a greek scholar Gary Wills noticed several greek errors of Thieme's and called Thieme's greek a sham.
I have proven that Thieme could not be trusted to correctly represent the truth of interpretation of Bauer, Ardnt, and Gingrich on the Blood of Christ. Also, I showed how Dr. Wall proved that Thieme could not be trusted to represent the views of Dr. Walvoord. If Thieme would misrepresent the views of man? What could Thieme be trusted with? A politically predjudiced fast-talking "formed message", deisgned to pull the wool over the eyes and cloak the truth to the unwitting, which was an immoral invasion of the privacy of Christians who gathered to share the truth.
Truthtesty
It is true for some that there is a draw for intellectualism. However, could Thieme be trusted to use knowledge to be faithful?
The evidence shows in many cases, the answer is no.
I am also skeptical of Thieme's claim of "knowing the original languages". Thieme has made many claims, but the evidence of careful review shows that many of Thieme's claims were false.
On this website there is a case where a greek student tried to question Thieme after class about a greek error. And the person was escorted from the building by Thieme's goon squad.
There is also another case where a greek scholar Gary Wills noticed several greek errors of Thieme's and called Thieme's greek a sham.
I have proven that Thieme could not be trusted to correctly represent the truth of interpretation of Bauer, Ardnt, and Gingrich on the Blood of Christ. Also, I showed how Dr. Wall proved that Thieme could not be trusted to represent the views of Dr. Walvoord. If Thieme would misrepresent the views of man? What could Thieme be trusted with? A politically predjudiced fast-talking "formed message", deisgned to pull the wool over the eyes and cloak the truth to the unwitting, which was an immoral invasion of the privacy of Christians who gathered to share the truth.
Truthtesty
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
truthseek
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Date: May 02, 2009 10:32PM
In the last year I have experienced something a number of times. This experience feels like knowledge is suddenly poured into my mind. The knowledge goes instantly and directly into my subconscious and is immediately a belief of deep conviction. Sometime while hearing or reading something spiritual I suddenly know the true meaning or which part is true and which part is false. I seem to be having this experience more and more often. This seemed to start happening just after I let go of some major resentments that had been eating away at me my whole life. I wonder if this is the holy spirit teaching me.
I makes a great deal of sense to me that God would convey the truth through a spirit that is inside a person. I used to wonder how a person would know which spiritual book is the one with the truth. I have always been told it is a matter of faith. But every religious group has faith that their spiritual book is the only truth. But the holy spirit can simply tell you where the truth is.
Truthtesty says (page 155, May 2 2009):
"Is it theoretically possible that the Holy Spirit could reach into the good faith of Christians at Berachah? Certainly. Is it not written that the Holy Spirit can go anywhere?"
Truthseek says:
As I was reading the postings on this forum it struck me that there are quite a number of people who have found the truth amongst the false teaching at Berachah. It seems that God really is everywhere.
To Truthlover:
My heart really goes out to you. This sounds just like what happened in my family. I bet this is a common experience in Berachah. I can understand your regret.
Everything is going to work out ok for your daughter.
"Therefore I say to you, all things which you pray and ask, believe that you have received them, and they shall be granted to you." (Mk. 11:24)
I believe that this also applies to prayers for our loved ones.
I believe that one of the gifts that is given to God's children is the salvation of their loved ones. I know that some people might not agree with me. But I wonder what any gifts God gives us would be worth if our loved ones were not ok. Also, the promise says ALL THINGS that you ask for. I cannot believe that God is unable to care for and shephard to himself the daughter of someone who did the best they could at the time as a parent. Isn't God supposed to be totally understanding? If I can understand that you did your best surely God can.
I makes a great deal of sense to me that God would convey the truth through a spirit that is inside a person. I used to wonder how a person would know which spiritual book is the one with the truth. I have always been told it is a matter of faith. But every religious group has faith that their spiritual book is the only truth. But the holy spirit can simply tell you where the truth is.
Truthtesty says (page 155, May 2 2009):
"Is it theoretically possible that the Holy Spirit could reach into the good faith of Christians at Berachah? Certainly. Is it not written that the Holy Spirit can go anywhere?"
Truthseek says:
As I was reading the postings on this forum it struck me that there are quite a number of people who have found the truth amongst the false teaching at Berachah. It seems that God really is everywhere.
To Truthlover:
My heart really goes out to you. This sounds just like what happened in my family. I bet this is a common experience in Berachah. I can understand your regret.
Everything is going to work out ok for your daughter.
"Therefore I say to you, all things which you pray and ask, believe that you have received them, and they shall be granted to you." (Mk. 11:24)
I believe that this also applies to prayers for our loved ones.
I believe that one of the gifts that is given to God's children is the salvation of their loved ones. I know that some people might not agree with me. But I wonder what any gifts God gives us would be worth if our loved ones were not ok. Also, the promise says ALL THINGS that you ask for. I cannot believe that God is unable to care for and shephard to himself the daughter of someone who did the best they could at the time as a parent. Isn't God supposed to be totally understanding? If I can understand that you did your best surely God can.
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
truthseek
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Date: May 07, 2009 05:05PM
Juker said (Sept. 05 2007)
"Thieme stepped to the side of his pulpit, put one hand on his hip, leaned forward, and sneered to the congregation, "Jesus doesn't love you - he TOLERATES you." I never went back after that night. "
THIEME SAID THAT????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus even loves Bob Thieme.
How DARE this man presume to know the mind of Jesus Christ better than Jesus himself who states over and over again in the bible that he loves man. Jesus Christ did not volunteer to be tortured to death to save mankind out of tolerance. Where does it say in the bible that Jesus tolerates man?
I only saw this forum about a month ago so I just read Juker's posting. I didn't hear this particular statement from Bob but I heard enough wierd comments over the years to know it is completely in character.
I grew up in Prep school. I had Gary Horton as a teacher in my class. I remember him well. He was one of the "in crowd" at Berachah. I also remember the packed gatherings on the Berachah lawn with the rangers repelling down the wall of the prep school balcony. I still feel physically ill when I see anyone in military uniform because of the way the military was shoved down my throat at Berachah.
I grew up critical, judgmental, and intolerant of others because of my association with Berachah. The atmosphere at the church is horrible. Very cold, superior, intolerant and critical. The congregation in general had a very paranoid attitude towards the world outside Berachah. Berachah had a way of isolating you from the rest of the world and the church became your whole world.
Like Juker I escaped from Berachah but unlike Juker the rest of my family never got out. My family eventually dissentigrated and one member of my family committed suicide. Now I have my own wonderful family. They are loving and happy and supportive. I still grieve for the family I left behind but I would not have survived if I had not left.
It has taken me years to undo the damage caused by my association with the church. I have only recently succeeded in developing a real relationship with Jesus Christ. And he does love me.
truthseek
"Thieme stepped to the side of his pulpit, put one hand on his hip, leaned forward, and sneered to the congregation, "Jesus doesn't love you - he TOLERATES you." I never went back after that night. "
THIEME SAID THAT????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus even loves Bob Thieme.
How DARE this man presume to know the mind of Jesus Christ better than Jesus himself who states over and over again in the bible that he loves man. Jesus Christ did not volunteer to be tortured to death to save mankind out of tolerance. Where does it say in the bible that Jesus tolerates man?
I only saw this forum about a month ago so I just read Juker's posting. I didn't hear this particular statement from Bob but I heard enough wierd comments over the years to know it is completely in character.
I grew up in Prep school. I had Gary Horton as a teacher in my class. I remember him well. He was one of the "in crowd" at Berachah. I also remember the packed gatherings on the Berachah lawn with the rangers repelling down the wall of the prep school balcony. I still feel physically ill when I see anyone in military uniform because of the way the military was shoved down my throat at Berachah.
I grew up critical, judgmental, and intolerant of others because of my association with Berachah. The atmosphere at the church is horrible. Very cold, superior, intolerant and critical. The congregation in general had a very paranoid attitude towards the world outside Berachah. Berachah had a way of isolating you from the rest of the world and the church became your whole world.
Like Juker I escaped from Berachah but unlike Juker the rest of my family never got out. My family eventually dissentigrated and one member of my family committed suicide. Now I have my own wonderful family. They are loving and happy and supportive. I still grieve for the family I left behind but I would not have survived if I had not left.
It has taken me years to undo the damage caused by my association with the church. I have only recently succeeded in developing a real relationship with Jesus Christ. And he does love me.
truthseek
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
truthlover
()
Date: May 16, 2009 02:56AM
Hi Truthseek,
I am back from my vacation and I am surprised that no one has replied to your message. Thank you for your kind words on my behalf.
My children grew up in prep school also. I was never really aware of what they were being taught, but assumed that it was approved by Berachah, so it must be the best thing for them. Now I realize that children should be taught about God's love and be able to show this love toward others in kindness, respect, generosity, etc....in other words showing Jesus to others. The emphasis at Berachah was in the wrong place, and there is a coldness or indifference toward others that is the result, along with judgementalism and a very critical spirit. No one is ever going to be attracted to Christ by this attitude. I have been guilty of this too, as it was well trained into me over the years. I have asked the Lord to change me and He is, but it seems to be a slow process.
"Thieme stepped to the side of his pulpit, put one hand on his hip, leaned forward, and sneered to the congregation, "Jesus doesn't love you - he TOLERATES you." I never went back after that night. "
THIEME SAID THAT????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, I do believe I was there when he said that. Although we were so numbed by his attitude and teaching that I think most people weren't very shocked. Now to hear it again makes me want to throw up. It is so sickening and blasphemous!!!
"I grew up critical, judgmental, and intolerant of others because of my association with Berachah. The atmosphere at the church is horrible. Very cold, superior, intolerant and critical. The congregation in general had a very paranoid attitude towards the world outside Berachah. Berachah had a way of isolating you from the rest of the world and the church became your whole world."
This is all very true, but hard to identify in yourself when you are in the middle of it. I feel so sorry for the people who have been there for so many years that they don't know anything else and assume this is the best. They become as mind-numbed robots in their own little world, isolated from the TRUTH and from God's LOVE. The real motivation at Berachah when you come down to it is "self"....how "I" can get to "super grace/ultra super grace" because then "I" will have it made and "I" will get the rewards. The emphasis was on self achievement, never on service toward others, which is the teaching of the Bible. We are to die to self daily, apart from which we can never please God. Theimites all think that the more "Bible doctrine" they take in, the closer they will get to God. But the Bible says that knowledge "puffs up", and this is the perfect description of what happens at Berachah. Knowledge without love is nothing.
I am so sad about your family. I just wonder how many families were destroyed as a result of their involvement with Berachah. But I am also happy and encouraged that there are some, like you, who have been able to escape and heal, and have found God's love. The rest need a lot of prayer.
"In the last year I have experienced something a number of times. This experience feels like knowledge is suddenly poured into my mind. The knowledge goes instantly and directly into my subconscious and is immediately a belief of deep conviction. Sometime while hearing or reading something spiritual I suddenly know the true meaning or which part is true and which part is false. I seem to be having this experience more and more often. This seemed to start happening just after I let go of some major resentments that had been eating away at me my whole life. I wonder if this is the holy spirit teaching me."
I was very excited to hear you say this. It is absolutely true that this is the way the Holy Spirit teaches. I have experienced this also. Usually I will be reading the Bible and something that I have been wanting an answer to for a long time suddenly pops out at me from the page with such clarity and an immediate understanding of it, and there is no longer doubt but an absolute "knowing" and affirmation from the Spirit in me that it is the truth. And the timing is precisely when He wants me to know it....His timing, not mine. Or sometimes I am awakened very early in the morning with an answer to something that has been troubling me and that I have prayed about. The answer will just pop into my mind and I know I could have never thought of it on my own. That is the Spirit working in you.
"I suddenly know the true meaning or which part is true and which part is false"
Yes, this is the Spirit giving you discernment! I just love when this happens. That is why now I can listen to a lot of different people teach the Bible and learn from them, but also reject the part (and there is always a part) that is not the truth. Because there is no perfect church and there is no "right pastor" who can teach you all of the truth. We MUST be led by the Spirit of Truth in all things.
So keep learning from the Spirit and keep on growing in Jesus. It is when we allow Him to be in us in all areas of our life that we become like Him. I think that eventually your Mother will see His presence in you and will recognize that it is something she is missing in her life!
Love and Blessings,
Truthlover
I am back from my vacation and I am surprised that no one has replied to your message. Thank you for your kind words on my behalf.
My children grew up in prep school also. I was never really aware of what they were being taught, but assumed that it was approved by Berachah, so it must be the best thing for them. Now I realize that children should be taught about God's love and be able to show this love toward others in kindness, respect, generosity, etc....in other words showing Jesus to others. The emphasis at Berachah was in the wrong place, and there is a coldness or indifference toward others that is the result, along with judgementalism and a very critical spirit. No one is ever going to be attracted to Christ by this attitude. I have been guilty of this too, as it was well trained into me over the years. I have asked the Lord to change me and He is, but it seems to be a slow process.
"Thieme stepped to the side of his pulpit, put one hand on his hip, leaned forward, and sneered to the congregation, "Jesus doesn't love you - he TOLERATES you." I never went back after that night. "
THIEME SAID THAT????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, I do believe I was there when he said that. Although we were so numbed by his attitude and teaching that I think most people weren't very shocked. Now to hear it again makes me want to throw up. It is so sickening and blasphemous!!!
"I grew up critical, judgmental, and intolerant of others because of my association with Berachah. The atmosphere at the church is horrible. Very cold, superior, intolerant and critical. The congregation in general had a very paranoid attitude towards the world outside Berachah. Berachah had a way of isolating you from the rest of the world and the church became your whole world."
This is all very true, but hard to identify in yourself when you are in the middle of it. I feel so sorry for the people who have been there for so many years that they don't know anything else and assume this is the best. They become as mind-numbed robots in their own little world, isolated from the TRUTH and from God's LOVE. The real motivation at Berachah when you come down to it is "self"....how "I" can get to "super grace/ultra super grace" because then "I" will have it made and "I" will get the rewards. The emphasis was on self achievement, never on service toward others, which is the teaching of the Bible. We are to die to self daily, apart from which we can never please God. Theimites all think that the more "Bible doctrine" they take in, the closer they will get to God. But the Bible says that knowledge "puffs up", and this is the perfect description of what happens at Berachah. Knowledge without love is nothing.
I am so sad about your family. I just wonder how many families were destroyed as a result of their involvement with Berachah. But I am also happy and encouraged that there are some, like you, who have been able to escape and heal, and have found God's love. The rest need a lot of prayer.
"In the last year I have experienced something a number of times. This experience feels like knowledge is suddenly poured into my mind. The knowledge goes instantly and directly into my subconscious and is immediately a belief of deep conviction. Sometime while hearing or reading something spiritual I suddenly know the true meaning or which part is true and which part is false. I seem to be having this experience more and more often. This seemed to start happening just after I let go of some major resentments that had been eating away at me my whole life. I wonder if this is the holy spirit teaching me."
I was very excited to hear you say this. It is absolutely true that this is the way the Holy Spirit teaches. I have experienced this also. Usually I will be reading the Bible and something that I have been wanting an answer to for a long time suddenly pops out at me from the page with such clarity and an immediate understanding of it, and there is no longer doubt but an absolute "knowing" and affirmation from the Spirit in me that it is the truth. And the timing is precisely when He wants me to know it....His timing, not mine. Or sometimes I am awakened very early in the morning with an answer to something that has been troubling me and that I have prayed about. The answer will just pop into my mind and I know I could have never thought of it on my own. That is the Spirit working in you.
"I suddenly know the true meaning or which part is true and which part is false"
Yes, this is the Spirit giving you discernment! I just love when this happens. That is why now I can listen to a lot of different people teach the Bible and learn from them, but also reject the part (and there is always a part) that is not the truth. Because there is no perfect church and there is no "right pastor" who can teach you all of the truth. We MUST be led by the Spirit of Truth in all things.
So keep learning from the Spirit and keep on growing in Jesus. It is when we allow Him to be in us in all areas of our life that we become like Him. I think that eventually your Mother will see His presence in you and will recognize that it is something she is missing in her life!
Love and Blessings,
Truthlover
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
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Date: May 16, 2009 05:00PM
Romans 14:7
1 John 2:27
1 John 2:27
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
Truthtesty
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Date: May 17, 2009 10:42AM
Truthseek:
I cannot begin to speak the words necessary to heal your wounds and your family's loss. However, you can stop it from happening again. You have the tools at this website and in your prayers. The tragedy you describe is one that we hear often. It was unecessary as the other tragedies at Berachah were unecessary. One benefit that you have that many of us did not, is this website forum.
So much at what Thieme spoke of was hate speech towards the humanity of man. I think this seriously depressed many even into psychosis in some cases.. I caution towards not attacking yourself as this appears to be Thieme's intent at every turn. You were involved at a very young age. I was 4 years older than you when I was introduced to the cult of Thieme.
Along with the Work (didasko) teaching of the Holy Spirit, Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians that we also learn from our nature and to use common sense. And yes didasko is used in 1 Corinthians 11:14. [scripturetext.com] We are corrupt humans and only the Holy Work of the Spirit can set us right. We are not worms we are human. Some of us are "Christian humans". We are called to be responsible Christian humans and dysfunctionalizing our humanity only serves to dysfunctionalizing Christian human faith and dysfunctionalizing the Christian human walk.
Paul also says in Ephesians 5:28 We also called not just to care for our Christian human bodies, but to love.
[scripturetext.com]
Thieme loved war. His masters thesis was about war. At Berachah Thieme managed to twist the truth to the heigth of paranoia at every moment was "life or death" combat. And the entire world was on your shoulders. But this is not the case. I caution against torturing yourself into paranoid "false confessions". That appears to be one intent of Thieme's abusive attack on your Christian human character. If someone falsely confesses to self? Lies to self? Then Thieme can pass one false doctrine after another in front of that person and they will more than likely confess Thieme's false teaching as true. Especially if it is yelled at them from a supposed authority figure who appears to have proper credentials. And that authority figure dysfunctionalizes the victim's confidence in studying alone with the Holy Spirit. Even? Thieme could pass off false poiitical secular data and predjudiced opinions, for the person to "falsely confess" to, without clearly looking at the facts for themself.
The abusive environment was set and insanely repeated day after day hour after hour.
Truthtesty
I cannot begin to speak the words necessary to heal your wounds and your family's loss. However, you can stop it from happening again. You have the tools at this website and in your prayers. The tragedy you describe is one that we hear often. It was unecessary as the other tragedies at Berachah were unecessary. One benefit that you have that many of us did not, is this website forum.
So much at what Thieme spoke of was hate speech towards the humanity of man. I think this seriously depressed many even into psychosis in some cases.. I caution towards not attacking yourself as this appears to be Thieme's intent at every turn. You were involved at a very young age. I was 4 years older than you when I was introduced to the cult of Thieme.
Along with the Work (didasko) teaching of the Holy Spirit, Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians that we also learn from our nature and to use common sense. And yes didasko is used in 1 Corinthians 11:14. [scripturetext.com] We are corrupt humans and only the Holy Work of the Spirit can set us right. We are not worms we are human. Some of us are "Christian humans". We are called to be responsible Christian humans and dysfunctionalizing our humanity only serves to dysfunctionalizing Christian human faith and dysfunctionalizing the Christian human walk.
Paul also says in Ephesians 5:28 We also called not just to care for our Christian human bodies, but to love.
[scripturetext.com]
Thieme loved war. His masters thesis was about war. At Berachah Thieme managed to twist the truth to the heigth of paranoia at every moment was "life or death" combat. And the entire world was on your shoulders. But this is not the case. I caution against torturing yourself into paranoid "false confessions". That appears to be one intent of Thieme's abusive attack on your Christian human character. If someone falsely confesses to self? Lies to self? Then Thieme can pass one false doctrine after another in front of that person and they will more than likely confess Thieme's false teaching as true. Especially if it is yelled at them from a supposed authority figure who appears to have proper credentials. And that authority figure dysfunctionalizes the victim's confidence in studying alone with the Holy Spirit. Even? Thieme could pass off false poiitical secular data and predjudiced opinions, for the person to "falsely confess" to, without clearly looking at the facts for themself.
The abusive environment was set and insanely repeated day after day hour after hour.
Truthtesty
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