Re: Struthers Memorial Independent Pentecostal Church
Date: March 02, 2012 10:27PM
I think the question Rensil has raised here is exactly right and I agree with all the answers that have been given to it.
Why do they not reply?
Now we look back and we see things we didn't realise at the time we can see this lack of providing information, answers and reasons has always been a problem. They sent us out but they were never with us. They told us to expect sharing their teachings might well get us into trouble but never defended us or stood by us if it did. They never backed us up in any tangible way - for example by giving us proper information about their teachings. Then they dumped us as followers as soon as we had any problems at all. Does anyone else think that doing that to young Christians stinks to high heaven?
So now we ask them to justify their teaching which we were sent out to spread for them and they can't. They can stand up in now secret meetings (where the recordings are too embarrassing to be publicly shared) and say whatever pops into their head and call it God speaking. But as soon as there is public scrutiny they run and hide. In fact they are saying to their own loyal congregation – we are not going to stand up as your leaders and defend your church by dealing with these questions. We are in fact going to going to bravely pretend none of this is happening. We will leave each of you on your own to come up with your own explanation for the vast amount of material now questioning the validity of our teachings, our decisions as leaders, and the public record of our self serving unkindness to so many people.
We can only hope people do figure it out for themselves. They give no answers because they can't. They have no answers.
An excellent illustration of this comes from looking at the questions asked on this forum some time ago by the Pilgrimess.
Quote from the Pilgrimess:
Why did Struthers always start a separate Christian gathering at Higher Education establishments? Why was the established Christian Union not considered good enough?
Because I listened to them for two decades I came to the conclusion that the SMC leaders believe they are “better”, and more tuned in to God than most, if not all, other Christians and churches. Part of what helps them maintain that belief is cutting themselves and their people off from other influences. When people encounter other Christian leaders, other Christians and other churches (such as they do at Christian Unions) they realise very quickly that this Struthers teaching about their own superiority is utter balderdash. So, as I said earlier, they send young people out (or they did - these separate Struthers university and college things are long gone now), to push the "unique and special" Struthers message. We now realise we were sent out with no back up – even a simple document to give people explaining what Struthers believed, and why the leaders believed a separate college organisation was necessary. They were prepared to send us out to push their agenda but were not prepared to state publicly their rationale and give us the information we needed.
So – like today and their non response to these websites – they simply passed on to us the problems of trying to somehow explain their weird teachings as coming from the bible when we were – perfectly reasonably - asked to do so. This of course raised questions which we brought back to the leaders and we received a similar welcome to the one this forum has had. We (in our naivety) exposed their lack of any answers to these issues – which was no use to us as those on the front-line fighting to promote Struthers ideas. And then they dumped us as soon as the real world problems with their teaching which we raised became annoying to them. They could ignore these things – why couldn't we? Obviously not spiritual enough.
The leaders were at least smart enough to know that anything which documented their real teachings would uncover their arrogant attitudes and expose them - quite properly - to ridicule. So they the "brave leaders" hid behind us - the honest mugs. I do not believe God is angry with us for that. I do believe those who have called themselves leaders will be asked to give an account.
Quote from the Pilgrimess:
Why, when women were doing almost everything in the 'meetings' did the female leader insist that when the sacraments were being given out it had to be done by one man and one woman, not 2 men?
Why, when Bible classes were run, were females allowed to lead the group (at that time comprising mostly young boys) on their own but when a male was on the rota he had to be accompanied by a female? (This was nothing to do with 'Disclosure' but to do with the church leader not trusting the spiritual condition of men.)
I know some young men who have turned out to be strong and highly respected friends in their own part of society who were frozen out at a young age as they were considered 'dark'.
I knew of the attitude but not that it was put into practice in this particular way. It was and remains the teaching of Struthers (until they publicly change it) that God has revealed to them, particularly through the views of the lady who started Struthers, that men are fundamentally less "spiritual" than women. If this sounds unhinged and bizarre teaching - it is. Yet they subjected men (and boys) to this repeated claim for years but have never had the courage to admit this teaching in public, for example in any of the many books printed by the church. If they did this they knew they would be stepping outside any sane Christian interpretation of the bible and they know they have no ability to justify this. Yet they believed it was a fact because God told them.
And they act on it as illustrated here by the Pilgrimess.
Latigo in their report on the Humiliation Sermon write about a sermon just a year ago where the speaker has a weird rant about the unsipirituality of "young men" in the church (evidenced by the fact that they liked humour) and who who had to be “driven right out of the church” as a result.
Is there any answer you can share with the public as to where this anti-male teaching and attitude comes from Struthers leaders? No we thought not.
Obviously there are serious capability issues in the Struthers leadership. They have no biblical training, they have no accountability so have not had any need to learn how to justify their teachings, and the belief that God speaks to them because they are special (a bit like Moses) has gone to their heads. Proof of that is when their "inner voice" contradicts any recognisable bible teaching and they choose to follow the "inner voice".
Any pain they have caused people, every vision that has failed to materialise, and each supposedly God given teaching they have later changed are so far left unexplained. They then characterise every mention of these real and important things as satanic opposition – as if that was even a reason not to answer. Not for Jesus or for Paul, or come to that for Amy Carmichael and CT Studd. They would all tell the Struthers leaders their duty was to answer all of this and answer it well - or apologise and change.
The real reason for the silence I think we all know. Much of their teaching is utter nonsense and has no biblical foundation. To address our questions would expose that. Seeking “the deep presence of God” has become a substitute for speaking the truth, knowing the truth and helping those in need. Seeking experiences and personal revelation has become the primary goal – not the much harder work of learning about, obeying and following the Christ revealed in the bible.