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Re: Is "Ki Health [aka Innersound, Qi Wellness...]run by Criminals"?
Posted by: Innersoundwatch ()
Date: February 19, 2013 03:34PM

18 Feb 2013

New Company Document Available

Form: AP03 - Appointment of Secretary

SECRETARY APPOINTED MS PRADNYA RANADE




New Company Document Available

Form: AP01 - Appointment of Director

DIRECTOR APPOINTED MS SOPHIE DAVIN




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Form: TM01 - Ending appointment as Director

APPOINTMENT TERMINATED, DIRECTOR FRANCOISE THOMAS

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Form: TM02 - Ending appointment as Secretary

APPOINTMENT TERMINATED, SECRETARY FRANCOISE THOMAS

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Re: Is "Ki Health [aka Innersound, Qi Wellness...]run by Criminals"?
Posted by: Wishwash ()
Date: February 20, 2013 02:22AM

I have looked into this now, Master Oh and Kim have avoided being the Directors of Innersound- why? because when the legal hammer is brought down on this organisation who is going to be held responsbile- legally the directors- so yes as someone posted before Master Oh is going to possibly get away with things and just fly back to Korea when things go bad whereas his underlings will be in prison. It's very sad that the sincere and trusting ones are going to get punshied more harshly than the real criminals.



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Re: Is "Ki Health [aka Innersound, Qi Wellness...]run by Criminals"?
Posted by: Wishwash ()
Date: February 23, 2013 02:31AM

Ok, so Innersound has reported copyright violations to DepositFiles where the chants and speeches were placed online and got them taken down- so they do actually care enough to put effort in, just not enough to put effort in to respond here, to apologise or to prevent all their trainees and memebers from having their names published online. There is no legitimiate reason in the world not to simply apologise for people getting hurt even if Innersound believes it was inadvertent. We can just put the links up again now, and if Innersound kills them we can simply post everything on this forum so it is permannet and undeletable... Innersound- your move.



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Re: Is "Ki Health [aka Innersound, Qi Wellness...]run by Criminals"?
Posted by: Wishwash ()
Date: February 23, 2013 03:20AM

It can take many years for ancestors’ energy to become fully integrated with ours. However, when we are in a vulnerable state, when we are ill, have suffered from a physical or mental trauma, long-term stress, or spend too much physical or mental energy, it is easier for that energy to tune to our weakened state. (prolonged periods of meditation and certain spiritual practices also facilitate it; these will be covered in chapter 4). Many people have discovered that after a period of prolonged illness they never fully recovered or “were not quite the same”.

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is a case in point. Many CFS sufferers report that it was after a prolonged flu, or glandular fever, or being mentally or physically drained, or after giving birth that CFS started. As the body’s defences are down, it is easier for the ancestors’ energy to connect with us. When that happens, it begins to drain our body’s own reserves of energy until we start to become more and more tired, which sets in motion a whole cluster of symptoms that baffle medical science. CFS is not an organic illness it cannot be detected or treated by organic means. One can do countless tests that show little or no sign of a physiological dysfunction. (Remember Yuppie flu? Doctors thought that only neurotics had it). A more thorough examination is required to explain CFS.

When people die, their bodies have lost the original yang energy. The yang energy is the energy of the spirit. It comes from heaven; its character is light and love. We need to keep that original frequency throughout our lives, but as we come into this world, and live exclusively within a physical, material reality, where physical desires control us, and do not maintain and develop the energy of the spirit, it gradually beings to dissipate from our bodies. (The energy of the spirit is not the same as belief in a religious system). Also, modern people, contrary to ancient people, do not do energy exercises to keep the yang energy active in their bodies. As people begin to lose the yang energy, their bodies start to get colder and colder, until when yang dissipates totally, and yin dominates, they die. As the ancestor’s energy, in that cold, yin state connects with the descendant’s energy, it begins to drain the yand energy from the descendant’s body because that is what it needs for its own healing. Thus the sufferer’s body becomes more cold, more tired, digestion and elimination are affected, digestion requires much heat to work properly, but as that area becomes cold, multiple food sensitivities develop or Irritable Bowel Syndrome. Eventually, if the yang energy is completely drained out, one dies. There are people now dying from CFS, to the toal bewilderment of the medical profession.

It is important to understand that ancestors do not deliberately make us sick. It cannot be avoided. They have died from illnesses that still afflict them and they have the same mind they had in this world. This is because everything we have, such as bodies, minds, emotions, diseases, are all manifestations of energy. Life begins with energy and manifests in matter. We have an energy body and a physical body. Although disease manifests itself in the physical body, that is not where it originates. The energy system must break down first. After death, we do not have a physical body anymore, but we have the energy body. And once something has gone wrong with the energy system due to illness, accident, or whatever the cause of death, it is recorded there forever.

A most painful example is of people who have died from cancer. Cancer is a complete breakdown of the physical, mental and spiritual energies. The energy system is completely damaged, which causes intense pain. To keep people free from pain, medical science has developed very powerful drugs. In the final stages of cancer, people are kept heavily sedated with morphine. So doctors tell us that they are not feeling any pain. Perhaps. But after they die, and remain in a state of energy itself, what then? There is no morphine in that world. Because they still have a body of energy they feel the same pain they had in this life.

The pain is most intense for three years after death because they are still very attached to their bodies, and their minds still have consciousness of this life. To alleviate their pain, they become connected to the descendant’s body. As their pains and illnesses are passed on to us, and we get sick, we start searching for help. For anyone who has been sick, and could not find the solution in orthodox or alternative medicine, this is a most painful and frustrating process. When we first get sick we search for the answers in the physical world, i.e. we do everything we can for the body. As the best diet, vitamins and magical potions fail to cure us, we begin to explore the mind through meditation, psychoanalysis and every self-development training and self-therapy book in the market. We are still sick, what next?

The root cause of disease is a breakdown of the body’s energy system. In approximately eighty percent of cases, this breakdown is caused ancestor’s energy blocking the flow of energy in our bodies. Ancestor’s went to the eternal world with all the pains they had in this world. They must struggle to get out of that world of pain, and the only way to do it is through the body of their descendants.

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Re: Is "Ki Health [aka Innersound, Qi Wellness...]run by Criminals"?
Posted by: Peter Daley ()
Date: February 23, 2013 05:56AM

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Wishwash
Ok, so Innersound has reported copyright violations to DepositFiles where the chants and speeches were placed online and got them taken down

That reminds me of Scientology denying the Evil Galactic Warlord Xenu featured heavily in higher levels of involvement. And then when said material appeared online, they claimed it was a violation of their copyrights. lol.

A name that features prominently in those speeches is Chunjon-nim, which is the name they use for their fictitious god. Googling that name led to an interesting little find: a site operated by the group's New York branch. Credit where credit is due, they are much more open about the messiahnic role of their founder:
[vitalkienergy-jungshim.org]

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Vital Kienergy Jungshim.org
Chunjon-nim is the creator of the Universe and exists as the greatest and highest entity in the Universe; hence, Chunjon-nim is the Universe, the Nature itself and the Source of All Life.

2. “Oneness with Chunjon-nim” is the basic belief based on the principle of “Chun-Ji-In” (literally meaning Heaven-Earth-Humanity). The root of humanity is Heaven; a fragment of Chunjon-nim (light) is descended onto Earth and joined with flesh, then become a human being; thus, Heaven, Earth, and Humanity are One with Chunjon-nim.

And that human being is Mrs. Park Kui Dal, who served time for fraud. And the fact that only one human is described as being descended from the divine is interesting. Earlier, when the group was led by Mrs. Park and her then-husband Mr. Mo Haeng Ryong, it was claimed they both were. Either his divine status was nullified by their separation, or he was never that divine to begin with. My money's on the latter.

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Re: Is "Ki Health [aka Innersound, Qi Wellness...]run by Criminals"?
Posted by: Innersoundwatch ()
Date: February 27, 2013 01:58AM

What happens in the Group 100 days Ancestral Healing?
24 Days Ancestral Healing works to separate you from the influence of Ancestors and begins to heal much of their physical and emotional pain. However, many Ancestors are carrying very deep karma and there are layers of pain and suffering that they cannot fully release during the 24 days. 100 Days allows a deeper healing process to take place and it dramatically advances their (and your) spiritual growth.
The 100 Days Ceremony consists of 15 ceremonies on Wednesdays evenings and concludes with a final ceremony in the last week on a Friday evening.
Am I eligible for the Group 100 Days Ceremony?
If you have completed 24 days Ancestral Healing for at least Mothers and Fathers branches you are eligible to join the Group 100 days so please take one of the sheets below to read, or speak to one of the Masters

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Re: Is "Ki Health [aka Innersound, Qi Wellness...]run by Criminals"?
Posted by: Innersoundwatch ()
Date: February 27, 2013 01:59AM

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Re: Is "Ki Health [aka Innersound, Qi Wellness...]run by Criminals"?
Posted by: Peter Daley ()
Date: March 01, 2013 05:23PM

A coupe of weeks ago I posted a Korean news report about the arrest of the founders in the year 2000.

[imnews.imbc.com]

Report on Youtube for easier viewing: [www.youtube.com]

A friend recently provided a translation of the story (below)
What is interesting is the mention of an earlier doomsday date of 1993. As far as I recall that prediction didn't pan out.
And also interesting is the weapons found at the cult's HQ.

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Investigation into the leader of Cheon Jon Hoe. Believers donated 10,000,000,000 won, family breakdown, etc.

Anchor: An investigation by the prosecution into 10,000,000,000 donated under coercion by the leader of Cheon Jon Hoe exposes a sad situation.

Among the victims were numerous intellectuals, many of whom also lost assets and families.

Reporter: The Cheon Jon Hoe leadership suggested the end of the world was coming and lived luxuriously using donations from believers.

Interview: Seven years of chaos will come.

Reporter: Believers scrambled to offer their property.

The deputy director of a government branch gave 800,000,000 won, one police officer in Seongnam went so far as to get a loan to provide 2,200,000,000 won, and the president of one company gave 2,000,000,000 in money and buildings.

Among the believers were about thirty public servants, ten teachers, and ten bank workers.
Most believers gave up families and jobs and took out huge loans. Some even committed suicide.

Victim: The first end of the world came in 1993.
Some people believed it so strongly that they later killed themselves in disappointment

Reporter: Uniforms and deadly weapons, including crossbows, were seized from guards who had protected the leaders of Cheon Jon Hoe.

Prosecutor BaeSeongBeom (Seoul District Prosecutor’s Office): The investigation exposed an accumulation of damages to countless victims, and we expect that from here on we will find the extent of the damages to be even greater.

Reporter: Seven people, including leader Mo HaengRyong and his wife, will appear on trial for these charges tomorrow.


And just browsing the speeches posted earlier from the London branch, well it doesn't seem like anything has changed:

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December 14, 2008:
ChunMo Nim (the female leader) is heaven...
ChunJon Nim (God) is in a tricky situation. How is he going to turn up in the world. If he turns up as a tiger, how are people goint to trust? How come you turn up as a tiger? Or you turn up as a dragon. How can people trust? Even as a human being, people can't trust. You are a human being, yo go to the toilet. A lot of masters changed their mind because they saw ChunMo Nim (the female leader) go to the toilet. It sounds silly. The human mind is very judgmental.

Speaking for myself, if a dragon appeared before me and said she was God, I'd be inclined to be believe her, even if she went to the toilet every now and then.

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January 2007
Five years in jail. Chunjon Nim (God) wants to see total trust for ChunJon Nim (female leader). How much do you trust me? Show me!

I could post more, and I will sooner or later. Suffice to say it's all just utter nonsense.



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Re: Is "Ki Health [aka Innersound, Qi Wellness...]run by Criminals"?
Posted by: Innersoundwatch ()
Date: March 03, 2013 03:24AM

Well it's nonsense to outsiders but not to them- if you keep finding the inconsistencies such as the 1993 end of the world, the 2000 end of the world, the 2001 end of the wrold- things that don't happen: like the grandmasters were supposed to become invisible- there but not there-whatever they wished, the 2 grandmasters supposed to bring in the new era togethr, the second major earthquake in Japan in 2012 which didn't happen, the globalisation of their organisation which isnt happening, their organisation being pardoned by the Korean government which didn't happen- eventually with more and more of these piling up some of them will realise it full of s%$t. i am sure most of the masters have never even heard of the 1993 end of the world, or the hospitals in Korea that were promised to be built, or the mother grandmaster's affair- their information is limited to what will keep them compliant and in line- not the real reality of their organisation.

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Re: Is "Ki Health [aka Innersound, Qi Wellness...]run by Criminals"?
Posted by: Wishwash ()
Date: March 13, 2013 07:36AM

Innersound has some new events planned innersound events

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