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A discussion from the old Google listserve. Its about the war in the former Yugoslavia.
and, two mentions about Ole.
Corboy I want to make clear I would probably find myself in a fight, if I were to meet KSS face to face.
But this sense of being deserted by the world described by KSS who appears to have been a Serb, may be shared by many in Serbia today.
And perhaps account for why Ole Nydhal may be so popular today.
He is considered an outsider by 'proper' Buddhists and this alone would make him appealing to Serbs who feel themselves outsiders in relation to a world that turned on them.
Ole's anti Muslim views would make him especially welcoome to those who took sides against the Bosnian Muslims in the Balkan war.
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The first discussant offered an article in full from some Tibetan tulku in 1993--the height of the war.
(Back at that time I was sickened to witness the vast silence of the Christian Left peaceniks. Thats whenwe had TV news coverage of the rape camps and the mass killings in Tuzla and Srebenica. I wondered why the peaceniks had been so effective protesting US policy in Central America but went quiet in relation to this war. Was it because it didnt fit easily into the mental catagories of Liberation Theology?--just an aside. Am sad to see the Buddhist community was also apparently not sure what to do, either. (Corboy)
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feel it is necessary to comment on the Kosova conflict by reprinting
this article from the Buddhist online
newsletter GASSHO's first issue. It appears our world leaders only pay
lip service to peace either for sound bytes or the publicity. So,
please read this article and consider well what the author says.
{6} ARTICLE: Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche on World Peace ===========================================================================
Dear Friends;
It is very good to be a part of the Great Masters World Peace Assembly
and to meet people who are doing the work of making world peace. I
greatly respect peacemakers because of their care and compassion for the
beings of this world.
It is my wish that the spiritual power of peace will touch the mind of
every person on this earth, radiating out from a deep peace within our
own minds, across political and religious barriers, across the barriers
of ego and conceptual righteousness. Our first work as peacemakers is to
clear our minds of mental conflicts caused by ignorance, anger,
grasping, jealousy and pride. All of you at this assembly have
connection with spiritual teachers who can guide you in the purification
of these poisons, and through this purification of your own mind, you
learn the very essence of peacemaking.
The inner peace we seek should be so absolutely pure, so stable, that it
can not be moved to anger by those who live and profit by war, or to
self-grasping and fear by confrontation with contempt, hatred and death.
(This would be difficult to deal with if one is cowering in a basement, while one's home town is being rocketed to rubble above one's head and where one dares sniper shots while trying to get groceries-Corboy)
Incredible patience is necessary to accomplish any aspect of world
peace, and the source of such patience is the space of inner peace from
which you recognize with great clarity that war and suffering are the
outer reflections of the mind's inner poisons.
('Incredible patience'--its one thing to say that while sipping bottled water at a conferance, cared for by one's entourage, vs being in Sarajevo at that same moment. Carry on, Tulku--Corboy. PS I dont approve of the massacres and attacks on women. We had to stop that. But I want to make clear that when one is under sniper attack, such words are gonna ring hollow. It explains the fury of the comments that followed this article-Corboy)
If you truly understand that the essential difference in peacemakers and
warmakers is that the peacemakers have discipline and control over
egotistical anger, grasping, jealousy and pride while warmakers, in
their ignorance, manifest the results of these poisons in the world --
if you truly understand this you will never allow yourself to be
defeated from within or without.
Tibetan Buddhists use the peacock as the symbol for the Bodhisattva, the
Awakened Warrior who works for the Enlightenment of all sentient beings.
The peacock is said to eat poisonous plants which it transmutes into the
gorgeous colors of its feathers. It does not poison itself, just as we
who wish for world peace must not poison ourselves.
(Corboy--Dude, right now we'd pluck that peacock and boil its butt just to get something to eat, without having to make a grocery run and worry about snipers. One can savor metaphor only on a full stomach)
As you meet the powerful worldly men who sit at the top of the war
machines, regard them with strict equanimity. Convince them as
effectively as you know how, but be constantly aware of your own state
of mind. If you begin to experience anger, retreat. If you can go on
without anger, perhaps you will penetrate the terrible delusion that
causes war and all its hellish sufferings. From the clear space of your
own inner peace, your compassion must expand to include all who are
involved in war -- the soldiers caught in the cruel karma of killing,
and who sacrifice their precious human rebirth; the generals and
politicians who intend to benefit and cause disruption and death
instead; the civilians who are wounded, killed and turned into refugees.
(Dude, the guys we worry about are the snipers. Could someone make them go away?-Corboy)
True compassion is utterly neutral and is moved by suffering of every
sort, not tied to right and wrong, attachment and aversion.
(Its been a bit too long since you were in a warzone pal. Wanna switch places? Corboy)
The work of peace is a spiritual path in itself, a means to develop
perfect qualities of mind and to test these qualities against urgent
necessity, extreme suffering and death. Do not be afraid to give your
time, energy and wealth.
(We are giving our asses, dodging sniper bullets and rockets. Dont tell us what to do. Make them stop firing at us. Corboy)
My suggestion for accomplishing this work in the world is to form an
international network of spiritual leaders who are concerned with world
peace. Spiritual leaders are in touch with the war-causing imbalances
within their countries and can show us how to alleviate such suffering.
They can have access to the minds and hearts of the people and can work
to create the space of peace.
I hope some of what I have said is useful to some people. If not I am
still glad to be connected to this effort and look forward to our work
together.
Tashe delek,
Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche
from GASSHO,
Electronic Journal of DharmaNet International and the Global Online
Sangha,
Volume 1, Number 1 ISSN 1072-2971 November/December 1993
KSS wrote in reply 6 year later
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Stephen H. Kawamoto wrote in <3716F4C3.30EF3...@alternatives.com>...
It's a good article but a bit outdated today.
In fact if you conduct a web-search using the words "buddhism" AND "Kossovo"
you will find NOTHING. There is simply complete silence of buddhism as
regards the Kossovo conflict. I find this a disgrace for Buddhism as a whole.
At the moment most "Buddhists" are only interesting in exterminating
emotions of "anger" in others, and _collaborating_ with the Warmongers and Hawks
of the Pentagon through their _silence_.
If you feel that exterminating the anger of the Serbs or the Kossovars with
rockets is Buddhist, be my guest.
If you feel the entire conflict in this area is the exclusive fault of the
Serbs, also be my guest. I wish to take no part in this bad karma, and unless Buddhism
takes a stand and says something, impartiality is complicity. Read Noam Chomsky as
regards the politics of "Manufacturing Consent".
A few weeks ago, a very advanced German-speaking practitioner of Vajrayana
Buddhism came into this newsgroup to announce "I am not interested in
politics. I am interested in Buddhism, because if you... bla bla bla...
believe the world to be hell, you live in hell etc. etc."
Go on and believe it. Go on being non-political even when issues are as
simple as saying "yes" or "no" to war. The bad karma of such an attitude WILL
affect Buddhism as a whole, and perhaps will contribute to the continuing troubles
of Tibet.
(KSS continues)As regards exterminating anger, Nazi concentration camps were first
conceived of as mobile psychiatric vans where "hateful people" of non-
Aryan origin, unable to control their emotions, were gassed to death,
I stick to my anger, which is non-lethal, which is non-violent, and remain
a witness of the appaulling NON-resistance to lethal propaganda which
we've witnessed in this newsgroup.
Sincere thanks and prayers to the minority of people who expressed
opinions on this. Even those who disagreed.
I could easily start throwing into this newsgroup evidence of more and
more lies from NATO, but it's to no avail. The danger is that such data
will be misinterpreted as Serbian propaganda, as it mostly already has
been, by some other posters.
Go on, support the bombings, DELUDE yourselves that they are for
the good of Kossovars and nothing more, DELUDE yourselves that
truth is black and white and that you are stainlessly white, helping (as
always) NATO's project of.... exterminating anger.
However, if Buddhist leaders do not take a stand about this WAR,
I GUARANTEE you that this will be recorded by history, and I will
personally not hesitate to tell everyone I know about the indifference
of Buddhist leaders to the bombings.
Skip the "far out peace space" stuff. We ARE angry, exterminate us!
KARMA SAMTEN SANGPO
(someone beaten up severly by Ole Nydahl's followers back in 1985,
and just realizing the auspiciousness of NOT "exterminating anger").
Corboy note. This is strictly my opinion, achieved in the comfort of my home. I was never in a war. Here is a person who states he was beaten up by Ole Nydahl's followers and then was further brutalized by being under attack in the Balkan war in the early to mid 1990s.
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Date: 1999/04/16
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>True compassion is utterly neutral and is moved by suffering of every
>sort, not tied to right and wrong, attachment and aversion.
>Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche
For fifteen years I thought often of this idea. In an absolute level
it is _absolutely true_. In a relative level it can become relatively
QUITE FALSE:
"Milking the Buddhist cow" is what it's all about, as a misuse of
the highest possible emotion sentient beings can experience.
It is with great distress that I write these lines. Because they can
_also_ be misused.
In order for compassion to arise, an object of compassion
indistinguishable from the subjectivity of compassion must
arise. An object of compassion however, which is also a
sentient object/being, can be anything, including serious
injustices around us, people who are suffering at all levels
of suffering, and so on.
Compassion of the highest sort is _by_itself_ incapable of
developing clear insight into deception, when the carrier
of the deception is not a sentient being but a _medium_
carrying the information generated by sentient beings.
As a result resistance to brainwashing is imperative for
compassionate activity. As a result you cannot ever be
compassionately non-political. Condemning the world
of politics as a whole does not help either, because unless
specific instances of objects attracting such condemnation
arise, such condemnation amounts to yet another form of
prejudice. Consequently you _have_ to know when some
politicians are lying, _what_ are their lies, _how_ they tell
their lies. Withdrawing into a corner is easy but doesn't
help.
As the easiest thing to condemn in others is what we also
condemn within ourselves, the easiest thing in the world
is to condemn anger, hatred, and every other negative
thing within ourselves, turn it inside out, imagine the rest
of the world suffers from it, and then develop a strange
kind of schizophrenia which is the _simulation_ of empathy
and care for the rest of the world, whereas in fact it is just
a form of extreme passivity following the activity of wrongly
deadening ourselves.
(Corboy-written by a man who appears to have practiced Buddhism seriously enough to have crossed paths with Ole Nydals followers in 1985, been beaten by them, and then years later, saw the Western Buddhist world stay mostly quiet when his home country was plunged into war)
Most "false piousness" comes into
this variety, vanilla flavour or otherwise. It paralyses the mind.
Such paralysis is not meditative, but counter-meditative; it
is sheer lack of insight. It allows many well-meaning, VERY
GOOD American persons to say "I believe we are trying to
help other countries but we're then blamed we didn't try to
help enough".... and _at_the_same_time_ it causes these
VERY GOOD American well-meaning persons to develop
SERIOUS CONCEPTUAL DIFFICULTIES in reading, or in
hearing and understanding, serious evidence that their
country is deceiving the world, evidence of CIA tortures,
and so on and so forth.
Thus turning the WELL MEANING Buddhist practitioner
into a vegetable who gives CONSENT to repression, is
what "milking the Buddhist cow" is all about.
Please _Respect your mothers_. Their Milk does not last
forever, nor does the white cloud of all-encompassiong
cosmic compassion last very long without the vapours of
healthy anger rising from the earth like water turned to
steam turned to clouds turned to rain again.
Gassho
Someone whose name is no longer important
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>KSS: In fact if you conduct a web-search using the words "buddhism" AND "Kossovo"
> you will find NOTHING. There is simply complete silence of buddhism as
> regards the Kossovo conflict. I find this a disgrace for Buddhism as a whole.
Henr: I decided quickly to be against the bombings and have spoken out, also in
this newsgroup, on that point. Just bombing Yogoslavia off the earth does not solve
any vital problems, and I'm almost scared by the number of people around me who
used to be pacifists, but now support bombing. Most politicians and opinion
polls around here support the war!
I was happy to find that my teacher (Ole Nydahl) has the same point of
view and speaks out on this on occasion.
It's springtime - enjoy! -Henrik