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Do Not Let Anyone Exploit This Pandemic
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: March 22, 2020 11:16PM

Spirituality is not a country club whose applicants must be vouched for, endure years of servile waiting, struggle with conflicting instructions, buy the right clothes and household decor, have the right pictures on their walls, and pay big bucks to join.

Spirituality is a big tent for everyone.

Certainly not a club from which you can be banished at any time with no explanation, no due process.

If you spend hours wide awake, because you dread you have offended some high ranking person in your lodge, this is not spirituality, it is life in a dictatorship.

If your teacher/s use the covid-19 virus epidemic to increase your fear and guilt, they are banana republic dictators, fear mongers, not Sufis.

Beware and get away from any teacher, leader or group that does any of the following or more:

* Who suggest this epidemic was caused by your sins, caused by your having doubts or misgivings about the leader, the group, the teachings.

* Burden you and other members with constant and unpredictable assignments to shop for, garden for, high status members of the group who are sheltering in place -- and you're scared shitless that what you do will be unsatisfactory and you'll get yelled at - and you cannot be sure whether this will happen. This is not spirituality, it re-enacts life with an abusive parent or spouse.

* The leaders exploit the pandemic and shelter in place to further entrench fear by using teachings that we are in the end times, the Kali Yuga, that the rest of the world is damned and that you in the group of of the Elite, and will shed your samskaras (cosmic cooties) if you pray harder and yet more obedient to the leader, the teachings, the group. This is exploitation.

* Beware if they ask for increased donations and increased prayer claiming it will protect the elderly leaders who have the power to walk you through the Kali Yuga. That's spiritual slavery that will continue long after this epidemic is over.

* Exploits Shelter in Place by demanding that you view yet more videos, yet more conference calls in ways that increase your anxiety

* Constant service requests to donate labor for upkeep of high maintenance expensive buildings, gardens, pools, lawns and you're unable to look after your family and unsure you've done the right thing.

* Distrust any leader or group using social media and conference calls to monitor you yet more intensively than before.

* Suspect any leader or group whose social media, conference calls, directions for increased meditation, visualization, prayer, take you away from your family when your family need you more.

* When this interferes with your taking breaks to look after yourself and do things you enjoy.

Unless you had to recover from a severe drug or alcohol addiction, you should still all or most of the friends you had before you got involved with this lodge. If you have lost all or most of your previous friendships, and have ended up with all of your friendships being in this lodge, please ask yourself what has happened.

Have any of the people you most loved when you were admitted to this lodge still your friends? Have they disappeared? Can you ask why, or is this a forbidden topic?

What if you're scapegoated and banished?

Having outside friends and family will eliminate the fear factor.

Problem is, during the years when you worked hard to prove your loyalty, you may have drifted away from your outside family and friends.

They may have drifted away from you because they were worried about you and just did not know what to say or do.

Call them up. God works through noncoercive human relationships.

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Beware Teachers Masters Pirs Exploiting Pandemic II
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: March 24, 2020 12:48AM

Beware of any teacher or group doing the following:

Telling you not to listen to the news except what they tell you.

Or, if you listen to the news, require that you also check in to hear the group leadership's commentary on the news.

Pushing you to install tech devices in your home and computer that enable the leader and group to keep you more closely tied to them because they can monitor whether you are participating in the group's online events or are diligently logging in to their online materials.

Suppose you are a technophobe, happily ignorant of Zoom. Once you are importuned to learn Zoom, your absence from the group's meetings will be noticed and you know this will become mark against you.

Yet another thing to beware of:

In this age of social media, group leadership can use a much loved or high prestige member as an "influencer". to instigate something that is seemingly organic, from from that person's initiative, but is actually a strategy fostered by the leader/s to generate an setting for enhanced indoctrination.

And find out which group members participate and which are less obedient and do not participate.

This can be done in sneaky ways.

A beloved or much feared group member appear on Zoom or Skype and announce he or she has decided "on my own initiative", to engage spiritual exercises that fall in the category of high demand behavior. Deeds that many of us would not do if left to our own devices.

If other members of the group announce they want to "join in" and give their names, this can generate social pressure for you to join in as well, so you can feel togetherness, so you do not miss out on the "progress" the others make, and so you are not exposed as a less than enthusiastic group member because you have *not* joined in.

* An online confession of personal faults

* A personal pledge to begin reading books or online material sanctioned by the group that zones you out. If enough people ask to join and this becomes a "spontaneous book club" you fear you'll be outed as a lazy member unless you join as well - and get yet more marinated in the group's indoctrinational material.

* Pledge to make a special contribution to the group or leader despite personal financial hardships.

* A high demand fast

* A high demand restricted diet

* Sleeping hours less than before to keep vigil

* That he or she is going to do a lengthy series of chants, guided meditations each morning and report what happens.

* Pushing hinting coaxing using social influence to get you to buy more of their books or products. to purchase yet another set of books, participate in an upcoming fast, cleanse, meditation marathon promising togetherness and enhanced spiritual development, greater unwindings greater shedding of pesky samskaras/cosmic cooties/bad karma.

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Character Checklist Masters Teachers Sheikhs Babas Pirs
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: April 08, 2020 11:03PM

Character Checklist Sheikhs Babas Pirs Murshids - Living and Dead

This was posted by "voxveritasvitadas" as part of a discussion for a Hinduistic group in Hawaii.

Still, it is a useful list.

If a leader's behavior corresponds to just one or two items on this just, please do not ignore it

Note: If a venerated deceased leader/s behaved in any of these ways, pay attention.

If a series of venerated dead leaders behaved in these ways, pay attention.



If you know of a cult leader who has many of these traits there is a high probability that they are hurting those around them emotionally, psychologically, physically, spiritually, or financially. And of course this does not take into account the hurt that their loved ones will also experience.

Here are the typical traits of the pathological cult leader (from Dangerous Personalities) that you should watch for:

He has a grandiose idea of who he is and what he can achieve.

Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, or brilliance.

Demands blind, unquestioned obedience.

Requires excessive admiration from followers and outsiders.

Has a sense of entitlement—expecting to be treated as special at all times.

Is exploitative of others by asking for their money or that of relatives, putting others at financial risk.

Is arrogant and haughty in his behavior or attitude.

Has an exaggerated sense of power (entitlement) that allows him to bend rules and break laws.

Takes sexual advantage of members of his sect or cult. [Or forbids sex]

Sex is a requirement [or outlawd] with adults and sub adults as part of a ritual or rite.

Is hypersensitive to how he is seen or perceived by others.

Publicly devalues others as being inferior, incapable, or not worthy.

Makes members confess their sins or faults, publicly subjecting them to ridicule or humiliation while revealing exploitable weaknesses of the penitent.

Has ignored the needs of others, including: biological, physical, emotional, and financial needs.

Is frequently boastful of accomplishments.

Needs to be the center of attention and does things to distract others to ensure that he or she is being noticed, e.g., by arriving late, using exotic clothing, overdramatic speech, or by making theatrical entrances.

Has insisted on always having the best of anything (house, car, jewelry, clothes) even when others are relegated to lesser facilities, amenities, or clothing.

Doesn’t seem to listen well to needs of others; communication is usually one-way, in the form of dictates.

Haughtiness, grandiosity, and the need to be controlling is part of his personality.

Behaves as though people are objects to be used, manipulated or exploited for personal gain.

When criticized he tends to lash out not just with anger but with rage.

Anyone who criticizes or questions him is called an “enemy.” [karmis]

Refers to non-members or non-believers as “the enemy.”[karmis]

Acts imperious at times, not wishing to know what others think or desire.

Believes himself to be omnipotent.

Has “magical” answers or solutions to problems.

Is superficially charming.

Habitually puts down others as inferior; only he is superior.

Has a certain coldness or aloofness about him that makes others worry about who this person really is and or whether they really know him.

Is deeply offended when there are perceived signs of boredom, being ignored or of being slighted.

Treats others with contempt and arrogance.

Is constantly assessing people to determine those who are a threat or those who revere him.

The word “I” dominates his conversations. He is oblivious to how often he references himself.

Hates to be embarrassed or fail publicly; when he does he acts out with rage.

Doesn’t seem to feel guilty for anything he has done wrong nor does he apologize for his actions.

Believes he possesses the answers and solutions to world problems.

Believes himself to be a deity or a chosen representative of a deity.

"Rigid," "unbending," or "insensitive" describes how this person thinks.

Tries to control others in what they do, read, view, or think.

Has isolated members of his sect from contact with family or the outside world.

Monitors and/or restricts contact with family or outsiders.

Works the least but demands the most.

Has stated that he is “destined for greatness” or that he will be “martyred.”

Seems to be highly dependent on tribute and adoration and will often fish for compliments.

Uses enforcers or sycophants to ensure compliance from members or believers.

Sees self as “unstoppable” and perhaps has even said so.

Conceals background or family, which would disclose how plain or ordinary he is.

Doesn’t think there is anything wrong with himself and in fact sees himself as perfection or “blessed.”

Has taken away followers' freedom to leave, to travel, to pursue life and liberty.

Has isolated the group physically (moved to a remote area) so as to not be observed.

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Re: Westernized Sufi and Theosophical Groups
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: April 08, 2020 11:06PM

Another Toxic Scenario

The teacher/Master may go into seclusion during this Covid Virus pandemic, creating a leadership vacuum.

(In happier times, the leader may vanish for a vacation or perhaps a bit of plastic surgery.)

Before leaving, leader gives ambiguous or confusing guidelines.

Disciples are told to show initiative and maturity.

When the leader returns, those who did demonstrate initiative and maturity are punished, perhaps banished permanently or temporarily. Joy at the leader's return is nicely combined with fear of arbitrary punishment.

This is the recipe for what Alexandra Stein terms "insecure attachment" - a paralyzing combination of love and terror, which keeps the victim frozen, unable to analyze the situation, unable to fight back or flee.

Terror and Love an article by Alexandra Stein



They no longer have anyone to turn to for support other than the group it-self, which is in fact the source of the fear and stress.

This double-bind is known as a situation of “fright without solution” and is also seen in control-ling domestic violence, in hostage situations, and some forms of child abuse.When leaders or other dominant persons employ a strategy of combining isolation, terror, and“love,” persons subjected to this may experience this “fright without solution,” with consequent impairments in cognitive and emotional functioning. I remember well the feeling of pushing back critical thoughts about my group, “There was no-one to share them with,and I was bound to get punished in some way if I expressed them.

It was almost a physical feeling of pushing the thoughts from the front of my head to the back, much as one pushes a hot pan to the back burner. My emotional life, too, was largely sup-pressed during my tenure in the group.

An especially toxic way to punish someone is to praise them, reward them, even promote them, Then, with zero warning, punish or expel them.

This is a fiendish form of abuse. The newly promoted disciple's heart is wide open with joyful gratitude. Sudden punishment with zero explanation is
to shit in that person's heart. He or she will be left distrusting joy for the
rest of their lives unless they engage in the deepest of healing.

The victim goes crazy desperate for an explanation. The victims spouse may be included in the banishment or may not be. Spouses may go grovelling to the leader imploring a pardon for their disgraced partner. The only one who can provide the explanation is the abuser. An abuser will never empower the victim by giving an explanation.

If allowed to return, the victim may be browbeaten into some form of catastrophic moral capitulation.

The only remedy is to recognize several things:

God does not treat us this way.

Only nasty humans do this sort of thing.


The only way a victim of such abuse can heal is to **abandon** all hope of ever getting a satisfactory explanation from the abuser. Evil can never explain itself.

Anyone who does this to you has revealed who they really are. Whatever joy and spiritual progress they gave you was part of their disguise.

You were kicked out because you are a better person than your abuser.


Recognize the group has abused wisdom, beauty, good feelings, community service (if it has done any) to conceal its true nature.

For this you will need a recovery community. Chances are, others have been treated this same way. Go and look for them. They will be glad to give you support.

If you still have family members or beloved friends in the group, this requires a vast re-appraisal of your entire life. You need support from a community.

An isolated person is no match for this situation.

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Re: Westernized Sufi and Theosophical Groups
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: May 07, 2020 07:54PM

Matthew Remski has analysed a talk given by Reggie Ray, a teacher who was trained by Chogyam Trungpa, a notoriously abusive guru.

Am posting the URL here in case others find it useful in understanding what they have been through.

Reggie Ray Spiritualizes The Terror of Disorganized Attachment in Relation to Trungpa

Matthew Remski

This excerpt from a 2014 “dharma talk” by disgraced former Dharma Ocean founder Reggie Ray provides a textbook example of how the terror of disorganized attachment – as analyzed by cult survivor and researcher Alexandra Stein – can be framed as a spiritual necessity.


Some teachers in theosophical groups may still be recommending Trungpa literature today, or worse, are themselves Trungpa disciples.

Remski has assembled quite a lot of disturbing information about Trungpa - and Trungpa's son and successor, Mipham.

For more, go here:


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Re: Westernized Sufi and Theosophical Groups
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: June 06, 2020 10:33PM

'facet' who participates in discussions here at the CEI message board wrote this:



If you’ve been involved in mystery schools, freemasonry, a healing modality, and / or other related groups and subjects (chakras, hell and heaven, angels, ascended masters, caste system) you will no doubt have been exposed to the many “levels” that must be traversed in order to be respected within the circles and / or simply succeed within yourself and society as a whole.

Each level of attainment will likely cost money, and more importantly it will cost you your mind.

Hierarchy thinking involves ensuring that you, the seeker, is fully programmed with a system of thinking that sounds pretty much like this: higher and lower.

There are lower realms of attainment (in whatever form) and higher realms of attainment, with higher being more desirable even when it is openly posited that lower is just as good anyway, the stigma of “lower” remains.

You will find the same model in most computer games that you may have played, which gives you, the player, a false sense of achievement simply because the game has been designed that way, with the people behind the game knowing and never revealing the system.

Hierarchy thinking model is flawed in its use for self growth for one simple reason: it requires a higher and a lower sense of self and others, a higher superior (superiority over others) meaning that an inferior must exist for the higher superior to survive. This will be the lower inferior (inferiority under others).

Any one of us brothers and sisters sharing the Earth will know that each are equal, yet individually free (autonomous) to choose as we wish. There is no need for superior and inferior mindsets when it comes to respecting each other as fellow human beings.

We each have to deal with life’s ups and downs making the best of what we have access to, which doesn’t make anyone better or less than worthy as humans.

If you’re ready and it is your choice, you can feel free to put hierarchy thinking in the bin.

Hope you’l enjoy a nice Saturday !

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