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Re: Supreme Master Television free-to-air satellite -Ching Hai propaganda
Posted by: dynamic ()
Date: May 22, 2012 08:59AM

So looks like anything with the SM logo will no longer be produced and made as supposedly it's disrespectful for one to sit on the logo(like on pants or whatever) What this is doing is causing an artificial demand for initiates to buy up as much SM stuff as it is now "rare and no longer made" CLassic boiler room. Probably also serves to clear out old inventory from centers and inject some quick cash into the system.

Also, because she is a "living master" all her imagry is also "living" and thus disrespectful to throw out/recycle etc. One must burn the imagry or bury it. Which is king of weird because if I was a "eco friendly" master, I would ask to have anything out dated to be recycled, not burnt(more pollution) or buried(more pollution). This goes for any pictures/logos etc. Also, one cannot publicly display the SM logo like bumper stickers etc any more.

My family members requested back any pictures or art and jewlery so they can hoard it I assume. They can have it.

Finally, from what I hear, there are open retreats in France again(quick and easy money).

Anyhow, with the end of SMTV, it seems as if things are a bit more hard to learn about as the only communication is done at the centers unless a scandal breaks out in a publication or something. Seems a bit more reclusive now. I assume with the cash cow of the loving huts(unfortunately quite a few are failing and shutting down) and the sale of merchandise, she is probablly bank rolling it all, purchasing real estate and living the high life.

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Re: Supreme Master Television free-to-air satellite -Ching Hai propaganda
Posted by: Ocean_Of_Lies ()
Date: May 22, 2012 03:48PM


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Re: Supreme Master Ching Hai END OF WORLD CANCELLED...again.
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: May 25, 2012 03:07AM

yep, as predicted here years ago, Ching Hai has changed this rules of the end of the world again.
How many times has she done this?
She milked the 2012 fear for a few years.

Now she realized the 2012 hype is dead, so its time to reset the clock.
She has now reset the clock to carry her right through her retirement, so she can continue to take people's money for the rest of her life.

the irony is of course, that no one knows what is going to happen.
The "planet" will be here for billions of years of course.
But who knows, maybe some new virus or bio-weapon will create something terrible 5 years from now?
No one knows.

Ching Hai doesn't know jack-squat. She just makes this stuff up, to suite her own interests.
Ching Hai is just a basic cultic scammer, out to line her own pockets, and live like a Queen.

Ching Hai gives veganism a black-eye, those in veganism would be wise to steer clear of the scammer Ching Hai.

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Supreme Master Ching Hai endorsing the lethal Breatharian hoax
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: May 27, 2012 05:13AM

Will Ching Hai take personal responsibility for any deaths of her followers due to the lethal Breatharian hoax?
Maybe someone should collect all of Ching Hai's endorsements of Breatharianism, and keep those archived for the future.
[www.suprememastertv.com]

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Woman starved to death trying to live on sunlight alone: Report
Published On Wed Apr 25 2012

The Associated Press

GENEVA—Swiss newspaper Tages-Anzeiger reports that a woman starved to death after embarking on a spiritual diet that required her to stop eating or drinking and live off sunlight alone.

The Zurich newspaper reported Wednesday that the unnamed Swiss woman in her fifties decided to follow the radical fast in 2010 after viewing an Austrian documentary about an Indian guru who claims to have lived this way for 70 years.

Tages-Anzeiger says there have been similar cases of self-starvation in Germany, Britain and Australia.

The prosecutors’ office in the Swiss canton (state) of Aargau confirmed Wednesday that the woman died in January 2011 in the town of Wolfhalden in eastern Switzerland.

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Re: Supreme Master Television free-to-air satellite -Ching Hai propaganda
Posted by: tran ()
Date: May 29, 2012 09:41PM

Is Ching Hai initiation same as this in terms of reference to Master taking on Karma and obeying the law of the master? Also , in reference to refraining from sex and wedlock, is this also a vow to be taken when joining this group? It sounds like a very conservative approach to sex in such an area, given the type of people she may want to attract.

Also on the subject of sexuality , can anyone advise of their stance towards gays as it is not broadcasted greatly and it seems new age believers are more liberal......















At the initiation ceremony, everyone is asked
to sit quietly and repeat "Radhasoami, radhasoami"
to themselves mentally while the others
arrive.

The disciple is told he or she will be given
secrets that were never revealed in any books and
which give the initiate the ability to journey spiritually
higher and further than Jesus Christ or Buddha, who
did hot have a Perfect Living Master.


Then the "Representative" of Master tells everyone
that this is a most serious event that will sever
the bonds of the initiate from the world and
place all their karmas in the hands of the Master
to administer.

Everything that happens to you in
your life from now on will be with HIS
permission, and it will be given to you in your best
interest. This means that you will condition yourself
to think that every illness that you experience
will be the Master, himself, allowing some
evil cosmic power to "burn" off your karma, every success
will be "given to you" not because you applied
yourself to a task competently, but because "Master"
was giving you "His Grace".

The initiates are shown how to "listen to the sound".
The best position is a squatting postion. You can
put a cushion or support under your buttocks if
necessary, or even sit in a chair at a table if your body is frail.

Next lift both hands up to the ears and fully plug
the opening of the left ear with your thumb, but place the thumb
on the tragus of the right ear and partly press it in
so as to block the right ear INCOMPLETELY. Cover
the outsides of the eyes with the fingers but do
not press on the eyeballs, as this may harm the
eyes.

The Intiate must take 4 vows which he will follow
for the rest of his life.

1. No sex out of wedlock.
2. No alcohol or recreational drugs.
3. A lacto-vegetarian diet with strict attention
required to additives, and avoid inadvertently eating
forbidden ingredients in foods, such as
rennet in cheese or albumin or egg in biscuits, cakes,
etc.
4. Two and one half hours per day meditation, 365
days per year for the rest of one's life,
with no excuses or relaxation from this requirement.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
.
. . . . . . . The initiate agrees to do his best to mold his lifestyle
. . . . . . . . into that of a Gurmukh and cease being a Manmukh
. . . . . . . . as described in Sar Bachan and other books written
. . . . . . . . by PLMs as guides for the Satsangi.


. . . . . . . . If children are desired then sex may be performed with a
. . . . . . . . married partner once a month until conception is achieved;
. . . . . . . . then no sex is allowed until a second child is desired;
. . . . . . . . again once per month is permitted until the second conception.


. . . . . . . . After the desired number of children have been born, the
. . . . . . . . couple must try to remain celibate for the duration of their
. . . . . . . . lives and concentrate on their meditation.

. . . . . . . . Homosexuality is not permitted in any circumstances. Openly
. . . . . . . . gay people may not be initiated.

. . . . . . . . Blind persons may not be initiated.



The PLM or his representative spiritually
"connects" the soul of the disciple
to the sound current
and "charges" 5 holy names that the person will use
in meditation to help him or her focus his or her
attention at the "eye center" and begin his or
her "journey home".

The initiate is then told that there are 5 "regions",
each having a "Ruler" and having a
characteristic "sound" reverberating in
that region, as Follows

Region . . "Charged Name" . Region name . . . . . . Type . . . . . . . . . Sound of region

1. . . . . . JOT NIRANJAN . . Sahansdal Kanwal . . . . Astral. . . . . . . . . bell, conch

2 . . . . . .ONKAR . . . . . . . Trikuti. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?. . . . . . . . . . . . drum

3 . . . . . .RARANKAR . . . . Daswan Dwar . . . . . . . . ? . . . . . . . . . . . sitar/guitar

4 . . . . . . SOHUNG . . . . . . Bhanwar Gupha. . . . . Causal . . . . . . . . . flute

5. . . . . . SAT NAM. . . . . . . Satlok. . . . . . . . . . . . . ? . . . . . . . . . . . bagpipe

------------------

The disciple is next told that Kal, the negative power stood
on one leg for millions of years in order to get a "boon"
from Anami Radhasoami (the highest creator). Because
of this unbelievably difficiult austerity performed by Kal
Anami gave him "pure souls" who were living in the highest
region in order that Kal could "animate" his otherwise inanimate
and mechanical creation. These souls became locked and trapped in the
creation owing to the laws of Karma.

Originally, one ninth or one tenth of the souls who were
residing with Anami Radhasoami did not want to leave and
go down to Kal's Creation; however the supreme
being was under such an obligation to Kal that they
had to go anyway. But the supreme being made a
promise to them that He, himself, would take birth and in
human form He would grant them initiation and teach
them how to return to their "True Home". Those
special souls would be called "Marked Souls", since
they were "marked" by the Father for return to their
spiritual home. No other souls had this possibility.
They were eternally doomed to traverse the cycle
of 8 million 400 thousand species of life.

The fact that the initiate was now receiving
initiation meant that the Perfect Master (who was the
incarnation of god himself) had "called" him and it was
proof that the initiate was a "Marked Soul". The marked
soul would now be able to return to the highest Spiritual
Regions in no more than four lifetimes. The Master
would "take over" all of his karmas and manage
them so as to speed up the disciple's journey. Now
anything that happeded to the disciple was with the
Master's permission, since Kal no longer had control
over the disciple. The Master was like a Bulldozer
tractor that tied the disciple to Himself and Kal was
like a chihuahua dog trying to pull him away. Who
would win the contest?

The initiate was told to concentrate on his "true
work" which was to escape this negative region
created by Kal. Do your family duties but do not
become caught up in the world or its politics or art or
fashions. Become a gurumukh. Go back to the Father.
Do not worry about the people who are not chosen
souls. It is the Lord's business, not our business. Our
business is just to follow the 4 vows and escape this
region as soon as possible.

Meditation would allow one to "die while living" and
this death was the highest goal of every disciple.

RSSB states that during the past 150, or so, years Anami
Purush Radhasoami (the creator of the universe) has
incarnated as a Perfect Living Master (PLM)
into the bodies of 5 people, all of whom lived in India.


They were:

Soami Ji
Jaimal Singh
Sawan Singh
Jagat Singh
Charan Singh
Gurinder Singh

These PLMs came to this low creation of Kal for
the sole purpose of collecting their "marked
souls" or sheep, in order to take them back
home.

There may be other PLMs, but most people claiming
to be a PLM are not really what they say they are.
================

This is a gist of the RSSB teachings and initiation.[/quote]

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Re: Supreme Master Television free-to-air satellite -Ching Hai propaganda
Posted by: Ocean_Of_Lies ()
Date: May 30, 2012 12:51PM

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tran
Is Ching Hai initiation same as this in terms of reference to Master taking on Karma and obeying the law of the master? Also , in reference to refraining from sex and wedlock, is this also a vow to be taken when joining this group? It sounds like a very conservative approach to sex in such an area, given the type of people she may want to attract.

Also on the subject of sexuality , can anyone advise of their stance towards gays as it is not broadcasted greatly and it seems new age believers are more liberal......

Please edit your message and correct your quote.

One of the 5 precepts of Ching Hai (copied from budhism) is "refrain from sexual misconduct"

Ching Hai intentionnaly appears to be very open on sexual matters. Of course if she was not, it would be difficult for her to attract people.

You can see her official speech about homosexuality here, pretty open : [www.youtube.com]
Or here : [www.chinghai.org.tw]

But as we demonstrated many times before in this thread, and as in many other cults, there is a gap between official speech and what is said inside the cult, to disciples (and may vary from a disciple to another depending on their "spiritual level"). For exemple, in her public conferences and her multitude of official websites, she pretends that all religions are the same, equal, and that everybody is welcome and can keep his/her belief when practicing the QuanYin Method. But in fact when you analyse the disciples speech (on forums, or direct discussion) you quickly notice that in their eyes, there's nothing spiritually higher than Ching Hai and her method, and Ching Hai is better than Jesus, Mahomet, Buddha, etc... which are, actualy, interesting but vain believes. They are only useful for Ching Hai to demonstrate that all are the same, and that she is the all-in-one. Which means that if you had to keep one belief, that would be Ching Hai.

About homosexuality, she also pretend to be very open. But is she? No she's not. In most of cults, the leader has to be as restrictive, discriminative and coercive as possible. As you can notice in the email leaked by NoMaster on April 26, 2011 [forum.culteducation.com] . It would be hard to explain for a disciple, don't you think? Contradictory speeches are also very common in all cults in order to destabilize disciples, and break the logical thinking. Finaly, only the Master speech prevail, whatever it is, it's undiscussed.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/30/2012 12:52PM by Ocean_Of_Lies.

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Re: Supreme Master Television free-to-air satellite -Ching Hai propaganda
Posted by: Ocean_Of_Lies ()
Date: June 01, 2012 03:17AM

Wedding video reuploaded [www.youtube.com]



An other trick of Ching Hai and her communication team :

It seems that they use bots to register fake accounts on multiple forums and automaticaly send propaganda posts.

For example, if you Google that : "Tôi đã thấy ở trên mạng" sos2012 (the characters can't be displayed on this forum, but you can copy-paste the title of the thread here [www.kenhthuongmai.vn] and add "sos2012"

You'll find many many of the same post in various forums, posted on the same day : March 9th 2012, by the same user : sos2012

The number of forums is too high for a single person to know about, and have no apparent link to each other :

3dvn.cmg.vn
5giaybienhoa.vn
adenz.net
audiothainguyen.com
cafekhoinghiep.com
camauraovat.com
chamsocbe.vn
chothanglong.com
congdongvietit.net
daiduongxanh.vn
dangcapvn.net
demo.elearning.com.vn
diendan.bebexinhxinh.com
dut.edu.vn
forum.intimexplaza.com.vn
forum.vipboy.info
hangcu.vn
hanhtrinhtrieudo.com
hanoiyeu.com
htttql.name.vn
kenhthuongmai.vn
ketnoi24h.com
kiengiangclub.net
kinhtephattrien.com
kinhtetre.net
mamnonmeyeucon.com
mua24gio.com
muasamtrenmang.com
namdinhkr.com
netsale.com.vn
nguyenthuonghien.net
nhiepanhsaigon.net
phunu8.com
raovatphutho.net
reurao.com
sgb.com.vn
sieuthihangchatluong.com
simcuatui.vn
sv1.9xbienhoa.com
tabutataxuka.com
thegioitruyentranh.vn
thienlong.org
tradatinhyeu.info
tritueviet.vn
tuoitredaklak.com
vangkim.net
vietgioitinh.org
vietnamservice.vn
vifotec.com.vn
vnsharing.net
vungoi.vn
vungtroitinhoc.com
xclub.vn
yeuchodon.com

It's obviously a bot.

The (duplicated) content is in Vietnamese. Quick translation :

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sos2012
I saw on the web many informations about someone called SUPREME MASTER CHING HAI there are some information telling that Supreme Master Ching Hai is a bad person, a cult........... and so on ,




I also heard some informations telling that her Eminence (in Viet : very respectuous term, only used for noble people, or president Ho Chi Minh...) is very nice, so who is really Supreme Master Ching Hai? And what does her Eminence teaches for the public opinion to make so much noise about, and why do people talk so much about that subject ??

All these questions are answered in detail on the website : ht tp://w ww.suprememastertv .com/au/wow/



To any disciples of Ching Hai who may pass by this thread, I'd like to ask : Why would a "perfect enlightened master" need to use such deceptive tricks to gather more disciples?

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Re: Supreme Master Television free-to-air satellite -Ching Hai propaganda
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: June 01, 2012 07:27AM

What a organized fraud by Ching Hai.

So either Ching Hai has hired a company to spam the internet making countless reposts of her advertising while lying and posing as a real person, which is a lie, which is fraud.

Or someone on Ching Hai's internet staff was ordered to do this.

So it looks like they are using a software robot that goes and registers and posts?
So someone on Ching Hai's staff has gotten a hold of a bot program to do this.

And of course Ching Hai approves, she ordered it. Ching Hai is a master of deception.

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Re: Supreme Master Television free-to-air satellite -Ching Hai propaganda
Posted by: Ocean_Of_Lies ()
Date: June 20, 2012 12:48PM

small news :) [thedailynewsonline.com]

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Re: Supreme Master Television free-to-air satellite -Ching Hai propaganda
Posted by: Rueo Anon ()
Date: August 26, 2012 02:17AM

I am an initiate of Master Ching Hai. I daresay that I have not always agreed with her teachings. In fact, I have been very openly critical of her (and fellow initiates) on many occasions. Yes, if I had known her personally, I probably would have even argued with her and received one of her infamous, almighty scoldings!

Over time though, I have come to the conclusion that overall most of what she teaches is positive, at least intended to be beneficial or can be used to serve ethical purposes, PROVIDED THAT YOU USE YOUR OWN DISCRIMINATIVE WISDOM AND DO NOT SIMPLY FOLLOW ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT RESONATE WITH YOU.

I have also realised that whenever I was being very critical of others, I was getting distracted from my original goal of joining the group, which was self-improvement. These days I’m trying to focus more on rectifying my own unpleasant qualities than examine others.

I do agree with the 5 precepts and the meditation she has taught is the best thing I’ve ever experienced. I wish I had found the meditation earlier in life. Even though, I may never completely agree with all of her teachings, I would confess that some of her methods have actually saved me from serious harm and helped me avoid a lot of unnecessary suffering. I shall always be so grateful for this and for not having to go travel far or overseas (like India) to learn the meditation.

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