What Rama states is so very important!
All Vedic scholars & Gaudiya Vaishnavas should understand and hear this as well.

"So not only do they have the only living man directly in Disciplic succession, this man has decided to single handedly cut off the line of Disciplic Succession ending it with himself, the last great devotee of Krishna that the world will ever know.

This is the most lifeless paradigm. These cult members are wallowing in an energetic dead zone, just existing in the spiritual purgatory of a megalomaniac false messiah.

I do not buy into the greater Hare Krishna movement myself, but what Chris Butler is doing in the name of Gaudiya Vaishnavaism should be unacceptable to real Hare Krishnas.

A man who claims he is the only means to Krishna who in 40 years could not produce a single qualified devotee to succeed him and carry on the "unbroken" tradition of Disciplic Succession.

Chris Butler is a false prophet and an agent of pure evil in the context of Gaudiya Vaishnavaism.

No true bonafide spiritual master would seek to single handedly end the direct lineage of spiritual teachers that reaches back to "God himself".

But Chris Butler is nothing more than a spiritual parasite. He wants to suck the life and spirit out of the world of his followers. He wants to leave the world a dark void in his wake, he wants them to have nothing at all unless it all comes through him.

He literally wants to be their only God and Savior, and he wants no other man or woman to ever be the source of spiritual enlightenment for any of his followers or any of their descendants."

And even more important for the rest of the world- this is Tulsi Gabbard’s Guru!



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Tonight I watch the TV program 60 minutes and was amaze to learn that congress man and woman ...pass 30 hours a week soliciting funds on the phone at special
telemarketing centers ...in Washington (as it is prohibited to do those calls from their offices) some congress members have to raise $18,000 a day .You can find that story on CBS news .How many people can a congress person from Tulsa Oklahoma can call I wonder ?
Now how much more easy can it be for Tulsi Gabbard being finance by a very rich cult and by Hindus in America and Hindus from around the world .
I was shock to hear that a congress person are doing congress business 2 hours a day and are on the phone 4 hours a day telemarketing for donations.

I do not know if Tulsi is on the phone 4 hours a day ?
or can relax as she knows that she as an advantage on other congress people ...
a very rich cult to take care of details like money ...possibly it the reason that she can travel all over the places with Bernie Sanders(I wonder if he can give her some of the money he is collecting )Anyway never knew that the USA sytem was so dam corrupt .Looks like every congress person would benifit in being part of a Butler like cult.

I would like everyone to take a look at the following videos and web pages.
I believe that this may be another one of Butler’s schools in the Philippines.
It is operating now and has been open since 1996.
The initial video absolutely does have Butler’s music and voice as an intro
piece. It is from the old Mantra Electric album.
I experienced a bit of PTSD when I heard this music...

[www.youtube.com]

This is the website for the school and there is one line here (on this web page) that specifically mentions Butler as “Jagad Guru”.

[www.madanamohanaacademy.com]

There are many photos and videos connected to this school.
The tie-in with the cult is thru the people who run the school and their connection with Sandy Fergusson, the wife of Mark Fergusson as shown on their FB pages.
Mark Fergusson is the CEO of Down to Earth in Honolulu, another cult owned and run business.

Did anyone else know about this school? Looks to be co-ed now.
And full cult indoctrination seems to be evident.

So many children....more grist for Butler's mill.

Rama~
Great job interviewing Canada Girl! Loved the “Better Call Saul” clip.

Dabs ~
Yes! I too want to know how Canada Girl escaped the cult.

BTW, one exer recently told me that she really didn't know how she came to leave the cult besides a personal tragedy. Her husband left her for another woman in the cult. She said that while she was working full time for Butler on one of his projects 10 - 15 hours a day, that she would read "The Little Flowers of Saint Francis" before she went to sleep. "First printed in 1476, this collection of stories, or "little flowers," chronicles Saint Francis of Assisi's journeys, activities, and miracles. Told in brief anecdotes of charming simplicity, the stories include Saint Francis' sermon to the birds, his taming of the savage wolf of Gubbio, his conversion of the Sultan of Babylon, and his miraculous healing of a leper." (Amazon.com description)

Having heard that Sudama Vipra Swami was fond of the writings of Shrila Bhaktivinode Thakur, she also secretly procured copies of his books and read them. His writings "had heart", she said. At the time NO ONE was allowed to read ANY books published by ISKCON after Bhaktivedanta's death, nor any books published by the Gaudiya Math in India. But she found a lot of warmth and spiritual comfort and hope in these two books that motivated her to continue working for "Siddha". She told me that at the time she was already noticing things in her guru that were "off" but pushed the thoughts aside. When reading those books she imagined Jagged Prabhufraud Butler to be on the same level and caliber as Saint Francis or Bhaktivinode.

She was sleeping on cardboard covered wooden pallets at the time. She owned only two outfits and read by a candle in a gallon jar. In her mind, she was living a spiritual life like Clare of Assisi. So strong was her dedication and love for Chris Butler that she gave up many opportunities in life to serve him. She still works hard, but in a profession that actually helps people. She regrets the many years wasted in the cult.

Dabs, you are right about the corrupt Congress. How does Tulsi have time to help the people of Hawaii when she is only working for Butler's ambitions and fundraising for Bernie? Just look at the homeless problem in Hawaii (tons of documentaries on YouTube). What are Mike and Tulsi doing about that? What about the massive environmental disaster in the oceans from Fukushima and industrial waste? What are Butler's politicians doing about that? Silence. Nothing. It's all "Rah Rah, Root for Team Tulsi!"

But it does make a lot of sense that Butler has a huge interest in politics, because it is the dirtiest and sickest of professions, peopled by the worst of humanity. Why is it that Senators and Congressmen people come in with normal incomes and go out millionaires and billionaires? Why are we seeing more and more of a class divide with the middle class eroding in America? The Butler philosophy dovetails right in with the coming hybrid socialism led by a few elites.

I don't blame the Americans. They are not the stupid people the rest of the world thinks. They have had a prosperous and good life. They are native optimists. Pollyanna is American. Nellie Forbush (the character from the musical South Pacific who sings "Cockeyed Optimist") is American. My friend is American. But optimism, ill applied, is foolishness. Butler banks on this "knuckle head" character trait in his followers.

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corboy wrote

Voters are not stupid. Voters are human. We have a sense of the normal, the
day to day.

Most of us do not want to believe that things can become so terrible.

More so, most of us do not want to believe that our vote has entangled
us in a situation that is bizarre and so corrupt that it would be cartoonish
were it not that scores of young people have been scarred for life and children are still serving hard time in Butlerite households and in that jungle school in the Philippines.

We find it a stretch to imagine that a sweet young women could
be involved in something so ghastly, be born into something so ghastly
and go on to be groomed and then placed in the House of Representatives,
as though Chris Butler used her as a Barbie Doll in a game of power politics.

Part of the subconscious conditioning of most Americans who are not persons of color is that here in the USA, life is fair, and that bad guys cannot Get Away With It. can never prevail.

Thing is, the USA would never have come into existence had it not been
for a bunch of discontented British colonists who did come to believe that
matters were unacceptably vile. But, over two hundred years later, we
have lost that edge.

Forty years ago, a young woman sat on her pallet and read about the lives of the saints imagining herself being a good person safely in the hands of a pure devotee. She found the contrast and discrepancies in gurudev but was psychologically paralyzed for many years. She woke up because of a personal tragedy. How did Canada girl wake up?

Vox~

Your domino video is a great metaphor. Just look at how much has been uncovered about this cult since 2006! The dominoes falling are getting bigger and bigger. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. The BIG DOMINO is coming up.

Fantastic find regarding the Butler Indoctrination School in the Philippines. Great research.



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Keep posting your stories!
They trigger memories and get people to begin to think critically.

Vox ~

Uniforms, flowers, graduation robes, and mantras do not make a good school. They have just got more slick at their deceptions. All these children, as you pointed out, are heading towards a life of slavery and injustice. Think of the Scientology schools and the Sea Org . . .

Madana Mohana Academy.

Education or indoctrination?

Education let alone, quality education is about asking tough and essential questions. To base education on the teachings of Jagad Screwball is an oxymoron. First, Jagad Screwball has nothing essential to teach except for people to parrot tiring dogmas (You are not the body, chant the holy names, blah blah blah ... ; second, dogmas and authorities that cannot be questioned defeat the very essence and purpose of education; and lastly, needless to say, the first two facts can never produce a truly educated mind but a mind that is subjugated and openly vulnerable to manipulation.

Concerned grassroot movements in the Philippines should seriously look into this psychological abuse of children. Religious cults are notorious pretenders of do-gooders, masquerading dogmatic values that propagate superiority of elite, unquestioned few over dominated masses. Indoctrination is a serious psychological issue that purposefully grooms the mind to an existential control by either a powerful god, guru or dogma.

300 years of subservience to Spain. Is the Colonial Master really gone? Physically, yes, but psychologically? Education is about freedom from subservience.

Please save your children from this masked evil intent.

Rama~

Another question for Canada Girl is why are there no white people at the Madana Mohana Academy in the PI? Where do the elite send their kids (or grand kids)? Are they all home schooled now? How do they keep the children indoctrinated? Especially parents who work at Kailua central or "On Site" or are they all single and young? How are the rest of the children educated/brainwashed? Is it like Lalita described - home schooled just enough to pass the state requirements, but told the curriculum is basically garbage?

It took the cult a long time to trust Canada Girl to unveil their secrets. How many years? Describe their process. What did she have to do to prove her loyalty and gain their trust? What cautionary tales can she share with others visiting yoga studios such as the Bhakti Yoga Shack (and Butler front)?

She mentions an older woman who did dumpster diving. I think she may have been the mother who abandoned her autistic son Pralad so she could serve in the cult. He later got molested in a group home or something like that. Was Canada girl aware of this?

Was Canada Girl encouraged or discouraged from getting married within the cult? She seems to have gone into the cult single. How old was she when she was recruited and what was going on in her life at the time? What made her drop everything to become a Butler laundress? What was she thinking to agree to this position?

When did the doubts about the cult creep in and how long did it take to leave? Did she get outside help to leave the cult?

Was she ever threatened by the group about leaving? Did she have to sneak away to escape or was she very open and vocal about her dissidence.

What advice can she give to people in the cult who may be thinking of leaving but are very afraid?

What advice can she give to people who are entertaining the thought of becoming seriously involved in the Butler group?

What are the names of front busineseses?

Do SOI folk give demonstrations on yoga or veg cooking at health food stores and fairs?

One of the most effective ways to recruit is to do it using the food and health angle.

Nothing will be said about how your children will be condemned to mental and physical misery because they will be denied evidence based medical care, and
put on an inadequate diet and emotional starvation because Mum or Dad or both parents are busy servicing the endless needs of Big Baby Butler's bloated
ego.



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Wow. It's totally another butler school. The coed part is a nice touch. Hope sex Ed consists of more than anti-homosexual rhetoric and teaching kids that sex is not conducive to anything but having more Krishna kids...

Usually the kids in the schools were sent there so parents can focus on "service". I truly hope these kids get to go home every day and see their parents.

I'm all about alternative schools if they're teaching them a wholistic curriculum, but sadly I can see it's not. Maybe I'll send some books to open up the kids minds. Maybe the history of Hindu mythology 101 as a primer... Then some history of vaishnava and Bhakti sant reformism. Geez.

It'd blow apart their universe to hear how the Bhakti movement grew out of deep dilemma and philosophical inconsistencies. In the end it was a completely "make it up as you go along" movement with one focal goal: convince people that the supreme goal of existence achievable after millions of lifetimes is to dance with an India-centric blue 16 year old farm boy God for eternity as a 14 year old girl. So profound and deep it'll blow yer socks off.

I'm sad to say that while gurus may adapt and adjust the methods and application, the underlying ideas and concepts are far reaching rubbish that will still result in much confusion and ongoing problems for its practitioners. Anything based on a false end goal is bound to fall apart. We're living in the here and now. Painting a picture of a idealized future will not help you now.

That the kids are exposed to alternative philosophy and ideals is fine. That they learn about service, compassion, humility, love--these are valuable concepts when applicable and concrete, not floaty and fantastical and based on a notion of personality worship of a guru who needs his jocks washed by adults.

She was sleeping on cardboard covered wooden pallets at the time. She owned only two outfits and read by a candle in a gallon jar. In her mind, she was living a spiritual life like Clare of Assisi. She regrets the many years wasted in the cult.
How many people did sleep on cardboards serving night and day this crasy guy and eating expire rotten food ...or dumpster diving just to eat to survive while the guru keep feasting every day on the best food available ... and slept in the most confortable beds available snugling up with Wai Lala ..One must be heartless to treat his disciples like that .Thats not how swami Bj=haktivedanta treated his disciples
What could be more precious to a spiritual master than his own disciples ?
I must say that with Swami Bhaktivedanta ...food was good and fresh ...I actually got a little fat in the Hare Krishna mouvement ...When i read or hear about these abuses ...i just want to go to Hawaii and kick his ass..