Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dabcult ()
Date: May 22, 2012 01:58PM

RESULTS OF HOMOPHOBIA.... It was estimated that in 2005 a gay man was killed every two days in Latin America because of his sexuality. In Brazil, 2,509 gay men were murdered between 1997 and 2007, the government has publicly acknowledged the impacts of homophobia .In IRAN 23 man where hang in public for being homosexuals in the last 10 years

The Bagavad Gita says that a TRUTH SAGE see with equal vision a BRAHMIN ...a cow ...a dog and a dog eater

A truth Self realise soul does not make theses separations due to body identifications .


That is the ruth vision of SELF REALISE MASTERS such as SHAKYAMUNI BUDHA .. PARAMAHANSA YOGANANDA or RAMANA MAHARSHI ...Those masters never made deregatory comments againts gay people because they have truly realise that its all body identification .

It is clear that "MR UNIVERS" is no SELF REALISE soul.......BUTLER made this dangerous HARE KRISHNA concoction. He brainwash Mike Gabbard and famaly and hundreds of others to beleive his crasy mixture of KRISHNA and hate for gays (and I wonder if he as any black devotees ?).."JAGAD GURU" then send he poor brainwash MIKE on radio and TV crusades to bash gay people and MIKE raise TULSI to beleives. ITS OK TO .BASH THE GAYS
ITS REALLY CRASY JUST FROM A PSYCHOTHERAPIST POINT OF VIEW ...and madness from a spiritual point of view.

BUTLER in reality he is a shameless bigot.. AND ...When that poison BUTLER and MIKE GABBARD are preaching get in the wrong hands can easely turn into murders ...AUSTRALIA and the USA is still full of red necks that love that HOMOPHOBIC ...and would love to bash a few fagots

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: May 22, 2012 05:00PM

I haven’t posted lately but have been following this thread with great interest. While I personally believe there is enough evidence here to derail Chris Butler’s plans for his political pawn, Tulsi Gabbard, I agree that the media will be reluctant to pursue this complicated story going back over 40 years. Butler and his minions are hiding behind the protection of freedom of religion, while in fact they are nothing but a criminal enterprise. It seems to me that the media must be provided with more evidence of the criminal conspiracy including tax evasion, money laundering, and violation of campaign finance laws. Butler is living the life of a drug lord, protected by body guards in his Lanikai residences. And just like a drug trafficker, he can be brought down by the law. With Chris Butler’s disdain for authority, I seriously doubt that he files truthful tax returns. It seems that Hawaii’s Pflueger family will be sent off to prison for tax fraud, so why not Chris Butler and Tulsi Gabbard (and throw in Tulsi’s parents since they have been supported by Butler for years)? Does anyone believe that Tulsi Gabbard has been paying rent to Frank Martin for his cult owned condo? Failing to report financial gifts is tax evasion.
Regarding the money laundering, cult members are paid by Down to Earth and then kick-back cash from their paychecks to Chris Butler. Money contributed to the non-profit Science of Identity Foundation is somehow being laundered to finance Chris Butler’s expensive homes in Lanikai, and the homeowners of record are part of the conspiracy. Is Jeannie Bishop of Science of Identity the same person who cleans houses in Kailua? If so, she lacks the skills to run a non-profit and is probably another pawn.
Anyone having evidence which would be helpful to authorities must come forward or report it anonymously.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: May 23, 2012 01:02AM

You mean Jamuna Dasi ( aka Jeanne Bishop) and her husband John ( aka Jnana Das {sp?} ) ?
Long time cult members.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: May 23, 2012 07:57AM

VoxVeritasVita Das
You mean Jamuna Dasi ( aka Jeanne Bishop) and her husband John ( aka Jnana Das {sp?} ) ?
Long time cult members.

Yes, I mean Jeannie Bishop, long time President of the Science of Identity Foundation. There is a yoga practicing housekeeper of that name living in Kailua. A google search revealed this story from Australia:
Yoga school
This woman should be in prison for filing fraudulent tax returns for her so-called church.

My prior post on Chris Butler possibly being a repressed homosexual.
Homophobia exposed

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: May 23, 2012 10:20AM

Another homophobic sect is in the news today. Pastor Worley may have caused his church to lose their tax exempt status by delving into politics. Science of Identity Foundation has been a tax-exempt church for over 30 years, yet have directly or indirectly supported political candidates for many years. It is time to focus national attention on Tulsi Gabbard and her loyalty to Chris Butler, himself a Pastor Worley type but much worse.

Pastor Worley tax-exemption at risk

Science of Identity ties to Gabbard

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dharmabum ()
Date: May 24, 2012 01:28AM

if you're hoping for mainstream media to pick up on religious cults as an issue, dream on. Unless somebody dies or is hurt or something happens that is so sensational, religion don't sell. There's no difference between McDonald's and Honolulu Weekly. One sell hamburgers; the other, news. Gone are the days when journalism is a public service and a mission.

As far as the law is concerned, same. Religion is a complicated issue and costly to pursue. Policy makers, lawyers and enforcers stay away as far as they could. The right to belief is one of the basic foundations of democracy and religious cults know this. If there's one theology nuttier than those of considered cults, nothing is nuttier than Catholicism itself.

The only thing this forum could hope for is internet itself. As long as this discussion is sustained, is informative, credible, intelligent and worth debating about, people concerned will pick up and get it. Not as immediate as mainstream media, but slowly but surely. People will do the weirdest thing they could do with their lives; that, nobody could do anything about. This forum could help provide informed decision and awareness when religious cults become a threat to their lives and their loved ones, especially innocent children.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/24/2012 01:32AM by dharmabum.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dabcult ()
Date: May 24, 2012 02:17AM

In the last 72 hours .my hotmail was shut down momentarely .....someone was trying to hack into it "AGAIN"

I received 2 notices from YOUTUBE that my last video might be shot down for showing ...even a little bit of BUTLER homes

Fortunatly YOUTUBE seem to understand my position far anyway

Its amazing what a little video done with a $500.00 camera can do .

TULSI and the cult could be on the verge of being expose big time (more than 1000 viewers on my original video on BUTLER)

It only take a few good journalists ....and TV reports to send the cult scrambling for lawyers .

I came to tecknology quite late in life I can only do so much

If you are TECK smart ......please post my videos as many places on the internet that you can think off.

It is quite expensive to have those videos done with a professional editor...So please lets give those videos more exposure

My only real desire is that maybee someone somewhere will see theses videos ....and move away from joining the cult

or reach those that are recent converts whose minds and hearts can be refocus away from this meglomeniac.

I know because I was in my first year of University in 1968 and left everything for at least 6 years .....of doing service 24/7 for BHaktivedanta

It took enormous effort to extract myself from that cult least 200 sessions of hypnosis and other psychological deprogramming tools

to be able to fonction again .....without the guilt and fears that I beleived that I was program to beleive....and even more time to return to University

to get some more education so that I could work and take care of my famaly (now 4 great adult kids)

Its easy to get brainwash by a cult like HARE KRISHNA...BUTLER or SCIENTOLOGY ....its much harder to get deprogram and find and pay $$ for the professional help to get deprogram .....and enjoy such simple thing as having a good sex life with your wife

Freedom of mind is precious ...if we can help a few to not become mentally and emotionally ensnare in BUTLER cults ....that would be a good service to humanity .
Mike Gabbard (who apparently was not homophobic before being brainwash by BUTLER) is a classic exemple of how brainwashing works

he even had is TV and radio programs sponsor by DOWN TO EARTH.......a very sad man ....(that naturally cannot have sex with his wife anymore)
reproduction is over (THANK GOD ) we have a second generations of brainwash diciples like TULSI
But what about the hundreds of other kids that where raise in that cult ?what happen to them ?

My connections with ex Hare Krishna school kids of ISKCON as shown so far about 20 suicides from ex KRISHNA schooll students
and hundreds are living in utter miseries .......many still chanting HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA .....for they do not have any other reference in life
nor any money to get professional psychological help .......IT IS SINISTER......Most Hare Krishna gurus like BUTLER are multimilionaires exploiting a new generations of psychologically brainwash people

The pastor from North Carolina is doing a great favor to gays and lesbians everywhere

by showing how ingnorant and dispicable people like him ...and MIKE GABBARD ...and butler can be

Was not REED in favor of puttings AID patients in concentration camps...and idea from his "SPIRITUAL MASTER"?

IS THERE ANY VIDEOS ...or written statements of BUTLER himself bashing the GAY people ?

I aggree if there is the IRS should be aware of it .....loosing their non profit status would oblige the cult to REPORT ALL THOSE UNDER THE TABLE DEALS

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dabcult ()
Date: May 24, 2012 07:07AM

My sister Marjo told me today that she attended a lecture of CHRIS BUTLER in late 1971
in Laguna Beach ...California ..and that at the time Chris Butler also gave a session of the "PSYCHIC SLEEP" (a hypnosis session where all participants lay down on the floor) THERE WAS 75 PEOPLE OR SO SHE TOLD ME.... SO BUTLER OBVIOUSLY CONTINUED TO USE THE "PSYCHIC SLEEP"SESSIONS EVEN AFTER HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER SWAMI BHAKTIVEDANTA EXPLICITLY FORBID CHRIS BUTLER TO DO SO ..CHRIS KNEW THE POWER OF HYPNOSIS EARLY ON....and use it shamelessly to get followers ...and their money.
OVER THE YEARS THE "PSYCHIC SLEEP" SESSIONS TOOK DIFFERENT NAMES LIKE ..PROGRESSIVE RELAXATION OR NIDRA YOGA (the yoga of sleep ) As a psychotherapist and hypnotherapist I find the use of the HARE KRISHNA philosophy mix with hypnosis to be extremely dangerous ...Because one way or another people are being convince that the final step is to be initiated by BUTLER ...and when they get that new name and the promise of a "TICKET TO PARADISE WITH BUTLER )... then serving him become the main focus of ones mind and the 25 % of ones income.Its brainwashing pure and simple ...ITS FREAKING SACANDALOUS...That is why Swami Bhaktivedanta in his wisdom could see immediatly the dangers of mixing an ancient religion worshipping KRISHNA and hypnosis .
What would the press think if in all the "HARE KRISHNA TEMPLES SUNDAY FEAST "worldwide there was a 30 minutes sessions where the public would be invited to lay down on the floor for a hypnosis session?..IT WOULD HAVE SMELL " BRAINWASHING."
The Hare Krishna......was anoff of a notorious cult as it was.
So wisely as soon as BHAKTIVEDANTA heard that BUTLER was doing hypnosis HE ORDER IT TO STOP IMMEDIATLY

I wonder how many sessions of" PSYCHIC SLEEP" did Mike Gabbard and TULSI did attend? Postings on this forum talk of children,s raise in Butler cult that where often put to sleep at night with headphones listening to BUTLER lectures or chanting ..
How many nights did TULSI go to sleep listening to "JAGAD GURU "hypnotic tapes ?
Is TULSI another of BUTLER cult member that as been hypnotise ? Does she beleive that CHRIS is "JAGAD GURU" does she bow down in front of him ?
Can a lifelong vegetarian that would no kill a chicken GO TO WAR...order by the terribly corrupt BUSH administration ?
Tulsi Gabbard use of her image in the military TO DA MAX NOW ...with slick videos showing tanks and all smell fishy .
HAWAII is the biggest military base in the middle of the Pacific ocean .
Did Butler ask TULSI for some special devotional service ?"Don,t hurt the chickens ...but brainwash muslims cults ...and their famalies (women and children,s)are fair games?? I WONDER

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: atheist ()
Date: May 24, 2012 02:10PM

IS THERE ANY VIDEOS ...or written statements of BUTLER himself bashing the GAY people ?

I have not seen any video of Jagad Guru Chris Butler saying anything about LGBT people.

Jagad Guru did produce a written document about his opinions of Homosexuality. This was available online with the title of "Homosexuality: Identity Crisis," by Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa.

He also published it as a booklet in his "Life Force Series," with the title of "Homosexuality - The Identity Crisis," by Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa.

They have been removing these documents from the internet.

I did find a copy of it, with the title of homosexuality

There is another copy of the Homosexuality: Identity Crisis document on the Internet Archive "Wayback Machine." This version has the correct title.

If you are interested in this document, I would grab a copy as soon as possible, because they will both probably go away eventually.

This "Homosexuality: Identity Crisis" document is long winded and boring.

I recommend a commentary on it by a Greek Orthodox Priest, Father A. Maximiadis A CRITIQUE OF CHRIS BUTLER'S THEORIES OF HOMOSEXUALITY.

Father Maximiadis points out that Jagad Guru Chris Butler says, explaining one of his ideas about homosexuality:

. . . Now I can enjoy everyone -- men and women – without any 'hang-ups'."

And maybe, if he becomes more free, he will come to the point of having sex even with pigs and dogs. Without any "hang-ups", of course.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dabcult ()
Date: May 26, 2012 12:56AM

How do I upload a picture or a document on this forum?

The search engines of YOUTUBE and GOOGLE have been FIX(by some forces ) so that my videos about the GABBARDs does not show up in various searches .....If you know how to play the search engine games so that the videos can have more viewers... that would be of great help.
Thank you

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