Does anyone know anything about a group of Quakers in Africa, led by McKays and voluntary programs?

There is a group under discussion here, who were founded by an American called Dave McKay. If these the McKays you are enquiring about, you will find interesting posts on this board, including some from members, ex members and from the leader of the Jesus Christians.

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Dear Matilda and AWebster,

You may also find David's daughter Christine (the only one of his four children to have remained "under the thumb" and currently in Kenya long with husband Robin Dunn and the Gianstefanis I believe) also contributing to the Australian Quaker Forum at the present time ("Christine from Kenya" registered this February).

The saccharine contributions at one point note how "calling people names" can actually be more harmful than physically harming someone (....so whip them all while wishing them "God's peace" instead?).....coming from someone in an organization that "breaths" calumny eveytime it so much as puts finger to keyboard, the sanctimonious cant "inspires" the deepest and profoundest retch....Uiiggghh!!

Are ALL the Quakers really so utterly guileless? God help them....!

This is a cause of great distress to me and I intend to make further enquiries.

As a recovering ex-member of Dave McKay's cult I have brought his connection (he uses the Quaker name and reputation to recruit and raise money for himself) to the attention of several Quaker online boards. I have never received a reply from anyone. I thought you guys didn't care and you had your heads in the sand. I found that very distressing. Please, please join forces with us. This man needs to be stopped forthwith.

The distress that David McKay has caused is eclipsed only by his denial of any responsibilty of his actions.

The Top 40 commands of Jesus Dave ignores or reinterprets (The JC interpretation is in italics)

[list:94e9b040a0]1. *Obey my commandments* - Jn 14:15, 21, 23; II Jn 6
[i:94e9b040a0]Obey Dave’s commandments[/i:94e9b040a0]

2. *Love God and others *- Jn 15:12, Mt 22:37-40
[i:94e9b040a0]If you reject Dave you are rejecting God[/i:94e9b040a0]

3. *Go and preach to all the world *- Mk 16:15, Mt 28:19
[i:94e9b040a0]Ignore cultural appropriateness… they are sinners anyway.[/i:94e9b040a0]

4. *Don't delay, do it now *- Jn 4:35, 9:4, 12:35
[i:94e9b040a0]Don’t stop to think if it is right or wrong just tell em they are wrong![/i:94e9b040a0]

5. *Take nothing for your journey* - Lk 9:3, 10:4
[i:94e9b040a0]Except a 4wd, trailer load of money making tracts, a few lap tops, well it means nothing you can’t carry or ship.[/i:94e9b040a0]

6. *Don't work for food *- Jn 6:27, Mt 6:24-33, Lk 12:29
[i:94e9b040a0]But it is OK to sell booklets for $$$ because we can use that[/i:94e9b040a0]

7. *Work for me & my kingdom* - Mt 11:28-30, Lk 12:31
[i:94e9b040a0]Work for Dave and HIS kingdom.[/i:94e9b040a0]

8. *Sell all that you own* - Lk 11:41, 12:33, 18:22
[i:94e9b040a0]Or give it to us.[/i:94e9b040a0]

9. *Don't store things that you're not using* - Mt 6:19
[i:94e9b040a0]Except newspaper clippings, Mo books, tracts, etc.[/i:94e9b040a0]

10. *Don't charge for what you do* - Mt 10:8
[i:94e9b040a0]You better meet your doney distributing quota of at least $60 per 100 tracts[/i:94e9b040a0]

11. *Give to God what belongs to God *- Lk 20:25, Mt 22:21
[i:94e9b040a0]Because we are God’s “elect” it all belongs to us. So give it to us.[/i:94e9b040a0]

12. *Don't waste time on argumentative people *- Mt 7:6
[i:94e9b040a0]It is OK to bait people and cause arguments because it makes people think we are being persecuted[/i:94e9b040a0]

13. *Invite the poor to eat with you *- Lk 14:12-14
[i:94e9b040a0]Then tell them to give all their possessions to you, because God hates their greed.[/i:94e9b040a0]

14. *Give to anyone who asks *- Lk 6:30, Mk 6:37
[i:94e9b040a0]Except non JC’s[/i:94e9b040a0]

15. *If you pray, fast, or give, do it secretly* - Mt 6:1-11
[i:94e9b040a0]But make sure everybody KNOWS you are doing it secretly.[/i:94e9b040a0]

16. *Don't use vain repetitions when praying *- Mt 6:7
[i:94e9b040a0]Don’t ask Dave too many questions[/i:94e9b040a0]

17. *Don't advertise healings* - Mt 9:30, 12:16
[i:94e9b040a0]Do advertise kidney donations.[/i:94e9b040a0]

18. *Take the lowest position in meetings *- Lk 14:8-10
[i:94e9b040a0]Doesn’t apply to JC’s because we are the “elect” of God.[/i:94e9b040a0]

19. *Don't be called Father, Mister, etc. *- Mt 23:9-10
[i:94e9b040a0]But instead be called “Captain of the ship”, “Anointed Apostle”, “Leader”, “Graduate”, “elect of God”[/i:94e9b040a0]

20. *Beware of hypocrisy and greed* - Lk 12:1, 15
[i:94e9b040a0]Which has deceived and carried away the whole world which lies OUTSIDE of the JC’s[/i:94e9b040a0]

21. *Take up your cross and follow me *- Mk 8:34
[i:94e9b040a0]Take up you whip and follow Dave[/i:94e9b040a0]

22. *Live in me, and live in my love *- Jn 15:4, 9
[i:94e9b040a0]Leave the JC’s and you will be dammed[/i:94e9b040a0]

23. *Eat whatever people give you *- Lk 10:7
[i:94e9b040a0]Criticize them afterwards where they cannot hear you.[/i:94e9b040a0]

24. *Rejoice when you are persecuted* - Lk 6:23
[i:94e9b040a0]We haven’t been persecuted yet, but we do rejoice when we upset people.[/i:94e9b040a0]

25. *Move to another city if persecuted* - Mt 10:23
[i:94e9b040a0]Move to another city if people start to wake up to the fact that you are scamming them[/i:94e9b040a0]

26. *Love, bless, and pray for your enemies *- Lk 6:27-29
[i:94e9b040a0]Offer to whip your enemies or to shave their head for the sins they have committed against you[/i:94e9b040a0]

27. *Do to others as you'd have them do to you *- Lk 6:31
[i:94e9b040a0]We do to others before they get a chance to do to us because we don’t trust them.[/i:94e9b040a0]

28. *Be agreeable with your adversaries *- Lk 12:58, Mt 5:25
[i:94e9b040a0]Take them to court for $$$[/i:94e9b040a0]

29. *Forgive others* - Mk 11:25-26, Mt 6:12, Lk 6:37
[i:94e9b040a0]Take them to court for $$$[/i:94e9b040a0]

30. *Cut off your hand if it offends you *- Mk 9:43
[i:94e9b040a0]Imagine carrying a knife in your pocket; that is good enough.[/i:94e9b040a0]

31. *Don't be afraid of people* - Lk 12:4-5
[i:94e9b040a0]Be afraid of ex members because they will lead you astray from the doctrines of Dave[/i:94e9b040a0]

32. *Let the dead bury the dead *- Mt 8:22
[i:94e9b040a0]You only have to think about yourself.[/i:94e9b040a0]

33. *Rebuke a brother if he sins *- Lk 17:3, Mt 18:15-17
[i:94e9b040a0]Then whip him, after making him feel bad that you bluffingly offer your own back up first.[/i:94e9b040a0]

34. *When you judge, do it fairly* - Jn 7:24
[i:94e9b040a0]System Judges are corrupt. Only JC’s judges can judge fairly[/i:94e9b040a0]

35. *You must be born again*- Jn 3:3, Lk 18:17, Mk 10:15
[i:94e9b040a0]You must unquestioningly see things OUR way.[/i:94e9b040a0]

36. *Don't make promises for any reason* - Mt 5:34-37
[i:94e9b040a0]Because it is harder to break your word if you get too specific[/i:94e9b040a0]

37. *Don't sell things in God's house* - Jn 2:16
[i:94e9b040a0]But out on the street is OK[/i:94e9b040a0]

38. *Don't forbid others to preach Christ *- Lk 9:50
[i:94e9b040a0]Unless the are not JC’s of course[/i:94e9b040a0]

39. *Teach all nations to obey these rules* - Mt 28:20
[i:94e9b040a0]Teach all nations that Dave’s interpretations are the most correct.[/i:94e9b040a0]

40. *When you have done all these things, say, "We have only done that which was our duty to do." *- Lk 17:10
[i:94e9b040a0]We have faithfully carried out all the commands our Anointed Apostle Dave has required of us.[/i:94e9b040a0]
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[b:94e9b040a0]Don't mention CORBAN.[/b:94e9b040a0] :oops:

Interpreting sacred writings in such a way is reprehensible. The McKays are Australian Quakers and have some support of local Australian leaders on the Australian Quaker forum, which represents Australian Friends on the web.
Dave McKay describes the moderator on the forum as the 'captain ess of the ship' and she has responded by confirming that ' he walks the walk'. They appear to ignore criticisms and search for the light that exists in everyone, in him. Yet there may be questions being asked privately as can be the way of friends.
An element of censorship is discernible on the AQF on this topic.
Friends are a very diverse and tolerant group, free thinkers rather than censors tend to find an attraction to the freedom thereof.

The McKays are Australian Quakers? God help us.

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Interpreting sacred writings in such a way is reprehensible. The McKays are Australian Quakers and have some support of local Australian leaders on the Australian Quaker forum, which represents Australian Friends on the web.
Dave McKay describes the moderator on the forum as the 'captain ess of the ship' and she has responded by confirming that ' he walks the walk'. They appear to ignore criticisms and search for the light that exists in everyone, in him. Yet there may be questions being asked privately as can be the way of friends.
An element of censorship is discernible on the AQF on this topic.
Friends are a very diverse and tolerant group, free thinkers rather than censors tend to find an attraction to the freedom thereof.

The moderator of the AQF has slowly been taken in by Dave's flattery of her. He likes to do the "leader to leader", "captain to captainess (in this case)" inner circle type conversations thereby setting himself above those classified as "followers".

The Quakers are simply one of a number of organisations that Dave has over the years infiltrated by being a chameleon. They give him money, and by being a member he is able to use their name to protect himself when the heat is on him, such as he did when writing to Kenyan authorities previously.