I can certainly see where you (facet and sig) are coming from wrt the red flags. Interesting to note that Shunya is a trained hypnotherapist and does indeed often speak in a hypnotic way. This leaves listeners more open to suggestion, and when in this state they get told about a coming end of the world, this is problematic.
On the other hand, the state of the world and where it's heading is also actually very problematic, and we tend to be too complacent about it. I'm thinking of the growing divide between poor and rich, and the massive stream of climate refugees that's probably inevitable at this point.
> No, it’s around the 20 mins in mark mentioning ego
> and then pertaining to the egoless state becoming
> a unified field.
> I’ve heard a few heralding this it is kind of a
> theme, Eckhart Tolle immediately springs to mind.
> The thing for me is that ego activity or not, we
> are all a unified field anyway, like it or not.
> Anything else is simply separation ideology isn’t
> That everyone must be awakened does not give of
> the vibe of freedom to me. It give off the vibe of
> control of how people should be and the utter
> denial of life just as it is.
On this point I disagree with you and agree with Shunya. Indeed Tolle talks about this too at length in his book New Earth and I agree with a lot of what he says.
In this paper about a model of spiritual awakening is postulated (and linked to supporting evidence): [www.researchgate.net
We see a reality consisting of separate parts because this is the end-product of the perceptual and cognitive layers of processing, not because reality itself consists of separate parts. It doesn't. Ideally, these interpretive/conceptual layers of processing are transparent, so that we see more direct experience of undivided reality through it and recognize that as more fundamentally real than our projected layer of separation.
We're collectively not at that point yet. We mostly see the end-product of these separative processing layers as base reality, so that actual base reality is veiled and forgotten.
With that the relatively illusory nature of the separation between self and other is forgotten. We become totally identified with the self-concept and disidentified from the rest. So we act mostly for the benefit of this conceived self, with less care and attention for the impact of our actions on the rest.
The way Tolle sees this is that this delusion is an evolutionary stage. Unlike other species, we've developed the capacity for complex abstract thought and communication, but because this is still relatively new, we've not yet understood the true nature of this capacity.
Long time meditators will know that most people are oblivious to the fact that they think when they think, just like we often are oblivious to the fact that we dream when we dream. In meditation, you learn to observe thought as it arises, and you learn the skill of not diving into that thought but letting it float by without attributing any belief or importance to it.
When we're not even aware of the option of not diving into thoughts, we find ourselves diving into many thoughts (especially when they have strong emotional appeal). A thought dived into is perceived from the inside. The meaning of that thought is perceived as reality itself. The fact is lost on us that it consists of mere references to relatively arbitrary divisions of reality, and relations between these references. The thought-reality is perceived as actual reality.
Tolle postulates that this is not the final state of the human mind. Someone who has meditated a lot, and people that have had awakening experiences such as the ones described in the paper, develop a different relation with thought. They see thought more as tool rather than as reality itself. Thought becomes more transparent to the underlying reality. Hence they're less driven by identification with the idea of self (ego), since that's also recognized as consisting of thought and thus being relatively illusory.
In this state, the non-separation, non-duality, with all of the universe is recognized. I think Tolle calls this the post-thought stage of evolution or something like that. Not meaning that we don't think anymore but that we see thought for what it is.
Until we're at that point, thought is not merely a tool for us. It's also our master. Ideas are seen as real and that granted belief makes ideas very powerful. They can spread and multiply like viruses, especially now we're so interconnected by the internet. Richard Dawkins and Yuval Noa Harari have written about this power ideas have over us, and how much our behavior is ruled by them.
How can we collectively wake up from this veiling power of thought, so that we'll act less selfish? I'm not sure. I don't think just exchanging ideas will do the trick. But I do think it's necessary for a more awakened relation with thought to become widespread, if we want to have a better future for humanity and nature.
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