Robert, it’s the “you” that doesn’t make clear which “you” I was referring to.

Often listening to James speak/teach, the same thing happened. Too many “selfs” :)

Ain't the truth! You made me chuckle that, thank you. hehe. :)

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Lastly, and for the record, I have emails from James where he advised/encouraged/recommended that I have sex with men for as much money as possible, and put that towards a new roof for the pagoda or veranda at his villa (amongst other such low-life suggestions.)

Really? Did he mean that jokingly or was he serious? Even if he was only joking, it's dubious that that idea would even occur to him, especially since one of the elements of Heather's report is that James manipulated his first wife and a few of his followers into earning him money by performing erotic shows in clubs.

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> Lastly, and for the record, I have emails from
> James where he advised/encouraged/recommended that
> I have sex with men for as much money as possible,
> and put that towards a new roof for the pagoda or
> veranda at his villa (amongst other such low-life
> suggestions.)
>

>
> Really? Did he mean that jokingly or was he
> serious? Even if he was only joking, it's dubious
> that that idea would even occur to him, especially
> since one of the elements of Heather's report is
> that James manipulated his first wife and a few of
> his followers into earning him money by performing
> erotic shows in clubs.


He would say he meant it jokingly. He believed that I was a prostitute (erroneously.) So why say that kind of thing, if not as a type a hint/attempt to coerce money from me, in the crudest of ways.

In his last exchange with me, he said:
“ You’re helping yourself, xxxxx, but it’s not working. Better just be a prostitute and get some serious money out of it while you still have your looks. At least you could afford an upscale tricked out van that would look good in that posh neighborhood. It’s more honest.”



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In his last exchange with me, he said:
“ You’re helping yourself, xxxxx, but it’s not working. Better just be a prostitute and get some serious money out of it while you still have your looks. At least you could afford an upscale tricked out van that would look good in that posh neighborhood. It’s more honest.”

What a scumbag.

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It’s his style.

“ I figured I would hear from you sooner or later because I was pretty sure the autism idea didn’t have legs. Anyway, your ego probably isn’t going to like what I have to say, but hopefully it will. If I don’t hear from you again, I’ll assume you didn’t like what I had to say. But I suggest you think of it as tough love and get the benefit.”

At one time, I took this stuff on the chin - and he was often very accurate in sussing me out. But the final exchange was beyond the pale.

The thing is that I thought his style was “normal” for a “guru.” He is insightful, but he’s not a kind man, in my view. I think the pleasantries are a pretence - in hindsight. A tactic, as any narcissist would use them. And that’s quite sad really.

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The thing is that I thought his style was “normal” for a “guru.”

The fact that he can make being an asshole seem normal or even helpful is testament to his skill of manipulating people.

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At one time, I took this stuff on the chin - and he was often very accurate in sussing me out.

That makes sense, that he's so good at reading people. It's why he's so good at manipulating people.

I'm not trying to diagnose JS, but as I've pointed out in previous posts, he has many traits that psychopaths also have.

From [greatergood.berkeley.edu] :

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A psychopath can have a very high form of cognitive empathy, too. In fact, they are very good at reading other people. They seem like they can read minds sometimes. But even though they can understand people’s emotions, it doesn’t register emotionally with them—they have no emotional empathy. They understand people feel pain; but they use that information to use that other person. If they’re also a criminal, it makes them that much more dangerous, because they can read you and then use you better.

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Dis-illusioned
> The thing is that I thought his style was “normal”
> for a “guru.”
>

>
> The fact that he can make being an asshole seem
> normal or even helpful is testament to his skill
> of manipulating people.
>
>

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> At one time, I took this stuff on the chin - and
> he was often very accurate in sussing me out.
>

>
> That makes sense, that he's so good at reading
> people. It's why he's so good at manipulating
> people.
>
> I'm not trying to diagnose JS, but as I've pointed
> out in previous posts, he has many traits that
> psychopaths also have.
>
> From
> [greatergood.berkeley.edu]
> :
>
>

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A psychopath can have a very high form of
> cognitive empathy, too. In fact, they are very
> good at reading other people. They seem like they
> can read minds sometimes. But even though they can
> understand people’s emotions, it doesn’t register
> emotionally with them—they have no emotional
> empathy. They understand people feel pain; but
> they use that information to use that other
> person. If they’re also a criminal, it makes them
> that much more dangerous, because they can read
> you and then use you better.

Quite shocking really - and you’ve portrayed the way it really is, magnificently.

I had my doubts when I walked away, thinking it just didn’t matter any more and that I would work on my anxiety and things, and get back to Vedanta with a “better” teacher when I had matured a bit.

And yet somehow, the saga has unfolded differently, as a result of HIS actions. So now I’m wondering how it works with a psychopath/narcissist. What will it lead to....? Where will it end...?

Time will tell.

Thanks for your responses. You’ve clearly looked into this well, and it’s helpful to see things for what they are.

For the record the "denial newsletter" mentioned in this earlier post IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE on their website.

You wonder why eh??


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> zizlz Wrote:
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> > Whoa, good find, Sahara!
> >
> > Sahara71 Wrote:
> >
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> > > This information fits the picture we are
> > beginning
> > > to see emerge about Old James!
> >
> > Exactly! Just a few days ago I still held this
> man
> > in high regard but now that I'm reading the
> > Heather story I start noticing more and more
> > things that are off about him.
> >
> > Just like Mooji's denial-video was pretty
> damning
> > for himself (for those who actually listen
> > critically to what he says there), James'
> > denial-newsletter is also pretty damning.
> >
> >
> [www.shiningworld.com]
> >
> >

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When it is not possible to determine
> guilt
> > or innocence – assuming you are not able to
> accept
> > uncer-tainty – the law, which is based on
> dharma,
> > provides us with an interesting concept: the
> > preponder-ance of the evidence. In this case
> there
> > is actually no evidence and I categorically
> deny
> > the accuser’s statement, so how can you remove
> > your doubt? Of course the quickest way to
> > remove it is to see it as a mithya problem and
> > dismiss it as unreal. But in the event that you
> > are not at that level of inquiry, you can
> make
> > a reasonable determination based on what you do
> > know.

> >
> > Here it's clear that James does indeed use
> Vedanta
> > as a way to dismiss any wrongdoing as unreal,
> > since it's Maya/mithya. This confirms Heather's
> > story.
> > Then he writes "in the event that you are not
> at
> > that level of inquiry", in other words: if
> you're
> > so unadvanced that you actually believe
> anything
> > can be real, that anything can actually matter.
> > This is very manipulative. He tries to make you
> > believe that if you take the allegations
> serious,
> > that means you're not advanced enough.
> >
> > Another quote from the denial-newsletter:
> >

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Third, consider the fact that I am
> > seventy-six years old and married to an
> extremely
> > beautiful – inside and out – discriminating
> woman
> > who obviously loves me. And there are public
> > doc-uments and witnesses that will testify to
> the
> > fact that at the time of the alleged event I
> was
> > married to an extremely beautiful woman, a
> > runner-up in the Miss California beauty pageant
> no
> > less.

> >
> > I don't know how James thinks his ability to
> > convince beautiful women to marry him proves
> his
> > innocence, but the way he emphasizes their
> beauty
> > does prove that he objectifies women.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> My word!!!
>
> Reading back, I came across this post from ziziz.
> Spot on - and quite jaw-dropping really.

Jeez, I should have done a better job proofreading my original post before posting. So many typos! I'm slightly embarrassed (I was in a hurry when I posted), but the main reason for my follow-up here is that I now regret airing my James Swartz gripes on this forum, and Rick Ross's overbearing posting "rules" will not allow me to delete the post. My personal distaste for Swartz's demeanor does not constitute proof of misdeeds.

Yes, the short-lived Swartz experience I had was weird and unsettling, and I empathize with others who have had (alleged) serious problems with him, but I really should not have publicly condemned someone based on very limited personal experience. I guess that's the problem with trying to take someone down publicly with no real proof on a clearly slanted website run by a hardline, agenda-driven person (RR).

I'm not a covert Shining World "cult" member, or disinformation agent, or troll, so please don't go there. I don't care for Swartz's teaching style and won't become his student, or anyone's for that matter because I don't really care about enlightenment (by way of buying in or sycophantic behavior). I think people who live this way gain absolutely nothing and are just anchoring themselves to their prison terms in the trap of karma.