Russian Fatima Wrote:
> Thank you everyone for your replies.
Will you interact directly with me here?
> I've been into James Swartz for a few years and
> have had nothing but positive experiences. I've
> read his books, listened to his videos, read his
> satsangs, and communicated a little with him and
> ShiningWorld staff via email.
Any absence of anything occurring with one person, or a group of people, does not mean it isn't occurring with another or another cluster of people.
> Of course nobody owes it to me to prove anything,
> but when I see such accusations against him, I
> just want to know the truth. That's up to Isvara
> if I get to know the truth about it all or not.
How do you know that Isvara hasnt gave you the truth? And you asking a person claiming to be a child rape victim to come out and go to court, in actually degrading ways, is not you being so neutral as you are now.
> It seems to me that all of the points against
> Swartz in this thread can be countered. Perhaps
> that's why I would love to see him taken to court.
> I'd like to see what both sides have to say.
Heather and Trav have begun to pick this up from their end. Why are you not interacting with my specific replies to you? My point on teaching abuse is what I know about.
You won''t be able to invalidate victims accounts by making a blanket statements that presupposes all statements about him can be countered. That's not countering.
Please dont try to hide who you are be starting to call him 'Swartz'. You dont call him that to his face. Be honest and stop playing games.
> I don't see a problem with him putting down other
> teachers. All of his critcism against them makes
> sense. He points out problematic teachings. He
> always says he's not attacking the person, but the
> teachings. He makes that clear. He also often
> says that these are good people whose intentions
> are not always bad, but who are just teaching
> misleading things.
Oky, you think that he is okay to out others down, but when he is treated with the same critique, it invalid straight away. You know that's one common sign of a cult, dont you? I guess this internationally recognizable fact that you are showing, is also invalid.
JS is entitled to say what he wants. As alluded to by BeTrue, the fact he puts everyone else down by implication elevates himself to the top of the pile. It is hard to say how jnani, enlightened people should and should not act, but it is curious that he spends so much time doing this.
Well it would, if one was not familiar with Shningworld teachings. I will speak a little directly to you here...
There is a culture of fear within Shiningworld. This fear comes about from control by certain staff. It permeates from the staff downwards, though how obvious this is begins to be diluted the further from the staff one goes.
It is commonly known that the closer one gets to James and Isabella, that they get burned. My guess is that i'm chatting with the later, though without a doubt both will be reading this thread. As well as other staff and some groupies being involved in some kind of coordination.
Why is there a culture of fear? This is because of some things Shiningworld teaches, and the way they teach. There is much too focus on certain dvaita teachings that are meant to be through out. This is called adhyaropa apavada. I've personally spoke with many disaffected Shiningworld members who's sadhana has included things like Karma Yoga, along with nididhyasana.
For forum members, karma yoga places one still in samsara by virtue that it is the person, the world, and God. Nididhyasana is where you stop identifying as the person and fully identify as Brahman. In this one negates the need for moksha, since that is for the human, and one if supposed to negate the human. So there is no clear leading in the teachings. Since to carry on with karma yoga, human identification, at a stage where you are meant to be negating 'you' are human, is an issue. It is an issue for the person cause enlightenement will free you from the teacher, from all things. And SW dont want peope to leave. They feel threatened by it.
Another example is that there is much too focus on the gunas. In particular sattva. I've spent a lot of time helping former SW students become free of the teachings of Shiningworld, and i'm saying directly to you that what Shiningworld is teaching is causing people problems. I'm not going to validate that here, becuase I dont need to validate it. My role is to help these people.
They come from Shiningworld and think that sattva, a guna, somehow validates what they are. There is not enough time being spent on that vedanta fact that you are actually not affected by any tri-guna. That you, Brahman, are not affected by anything mithya, temporary. And, sattva is maya karanam, an effect of maya. And not effect of maya, validates what you are.
Students are not being taught to be guntitha. Beyond the gunas. And this is a problem cause Shiningworld people then feel very upset and traumatised when the lovely sattva bubble ends.
So why do Shiningworld do this? They teach teachings that make the person feel nice. So they retain the student. Vedanta isn't about the person feeling nice. If it was, that would mean vedanta teaches there is a problem with not feeling nice. Vedanta teaches that suffering is thinking feeling nice validates oneself, and not feeling nice invalidates oneself.
This fear exists because Shiningworld even find it hard to retain any of their teachers. There has to be a question why this is so? And it goes back to the well known fact that anyone who gets close to James and Isabella get burned. And sometimes quite badly.
> I find the accusations on this forum difficult to
> believe because James is so full of knowledge that
> he can go on for hours and hours year after year
> talking vedanta.
JS having any knowledge has got little to do with anythng. Else any scholar has validty in teaching vedanta. Yet, thy do not. Scripture teaches to beware of someone who only has great knowledge of scripture.
> This is the only forum where I've found anyone
> badmouth him.
And his website is the only one I've found where the people criticizing others are actually not looking at themselves. Snap.
> I just think if you all want your accusations to
> have some teeth, you should take him to task and
> bring him to court. Otherwise you could be
> pushing people away from vedanta.
'All' our accusations dont' have to go to court to have any validity. The victims knowing what is true or not is the validity.
Regarding court, if Shiningworld keep libeling people on their website, there are some that are ready to take legal action. It's not appropriate to libel people and use distorted teachings to manipulate others. Like you tried yourself in regard to ARjuna toward Heather. You knew what you were doing. And I'm accusing you of it because many have told me James and Isabella have done this same thing. Don't you know how wrong that is? Have you all lost sight of the negative effect you have had on others.
Regarding pushing people away from Vedanta. I don't know where to being. I work with people coming from places such as Shiningworld, and some are actively refusing not only to be in Vedanta but in anything spiritual. Do you understand how Shiningworld is harming people?
Traumatized people by the nature of being traumatized often feel too traumatized to cope with anything more. Don' Shiningworld get this? Trying to call anyone out will not work. It merely supports a lack of caring or empathy, that is actually curiously missing in such a so called lovely place such as Shiningworld. You yourself are a great ambassador for what is being claimed here. Though as Traveller99 wrote, it seems we're talking to multiple personalities with you.
> Many people are very happy to have James in their
> life and to have access, for free, to him and his
> plentiful resources.
> I've never heard of such a giving author in my
> life. Usually you read a book and that person is
> inaccessible. On the other hand, James himself is
> accessible and has countless books, articles,
> videos, etc. A lot of it is free.
Then you have bought into the 'special mission' hype. There are many spiritual teachers, and many vedanta teachers who share so many things. And that is fine. But the reason for sharing is great.
I would publicly like to see the financial records for Shiningworld for the last FIVE years please. I will pay for them to be looked at independently. This is because JS has begun doing strange things, such as soliciting money directly in some satsangs for the property in spain.
In ant event, we have to remain focused here. As your comments can muddy the waters. JS providing anything free hardly invalidates what is being claimed about him.
> It doesn't seem dharmic to me to be badmouthing
> someone, writing a book that accuses him of rape
> and other things, and not confronting them
Can you ask him then to stop badmouthing people and posting it online? For the last ten years.
> James takes what could otherwise be really boring
> and brings it to the masses of westerners who
> don't know anything about Hinduism. That's a
> great service. Nobody wants to listen to a bunch
> of stuffy old monks from a foreign country going
> on about ancient texts in an academic manner.
Nobody wants to listen to a bunch of stuff old monks from a foreign country go about texts in an academic manner? HAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHA.
There you go. Elevating Shiningworld to the top of the sampradaya. They are not. Are you forgeting about the missions of Chimaya and Ramakrishna? If we even look at Arsha Vidya, Swami Dayananda. His first ashram was in the USA! And heleft behind a legacy of over 500 teachers. Over half of them are NOT stuffy old monks. But people with jobs, etc.
Shinignworld cant hold on to half a dozen teachers at a time. So please, you are talking nonsense.
You are also in the wrong topic if you think you can try to elevate JS over swami in general. You do know that when JS was claiming to be with Swami Chinmaya that the training was around 8 years for a SWami? And you know that JS himself only claimed to be there 2 years. He was also threw out of teaching under Swami Dayananda's new 3 and half year course (it was then).
JS never completed any training that a Swami would have. Meaning that Swami's have had more indepth training in the sampradaya than JS ever did. You alluding to swami learning academically, is wrong. Do you know now about vedanta pramana? I thought that Shiningworld did.
There is no point in you taking a shot at Swami's teaching ancient texts. You are actually taking a shot at the whole sampradaya here. Is this Shiningworld tryng to position themselves to the status of Swami Dayananda? That won't be occuring haha.
For everyone, SWami Dayananda wsn't beng taught properly by his teacher, Swami Chinmayananda, same teacher as JS. So SWami Dayananda done a major thing and sturctured the teachings more cohesively. JS attended this but got threw out after 2 weeks.
> Also, to imply that James leaves the heart out of
> the teachings is false. He says the heart and
> brain are both important, but he just emphasizes
> that a big problem in modern spirituality is that
> people are overly emotional and are going for
> experiences instead of knowledge. He's addressing
> that imbalance. If you don't want to exercise
> your logic and just want to sit around and
> magically "get it", that's not going to work.
It would be much better if he stuck to what the sampradaya have decided. Since he says he is a part of it. Instead of using the mind and heart, he could say the antakharana and buddhi. Of which is part of the anthakarna. The heart is the gross body, and assimilation of knowledge does not happen in the gross body. It happens in the buddhi, intellect. While it is true that the intellect has been said in some scripture to reside in the heart area, in truth that is a generalization.
> I'm just going to guess that some of the people
> here just have some little issue with him or
> someone related to him, so are taking out their
> frustrations here. Maybe you're missing the big
> picture, the value of what he teaches, and how he
> brings so many people out of hopeless situations
> to vedanta.
I'm going to be forthright with you here. How dare you invalidate the effects of James SWartz, Isabella Swartz, some of their teachers, and others, on the effects of people that have been traumatized.
Stretching as far back as Heather, and possibly beyond, right up until recent times many people have been left traumatized.
What JS and IS do is bring people out of hopless situations, and into a new one. In Shiningworld, you do what you are told. In anything to do with your life. And if you dont then you will be humiliated, ostracized, and shunned. You might lose all your friends. You recall i'm telling you I work with these same people that have came from hopeless situations to Shiningworld? And been abused.
> Anyway, I'm sure he'll go on teaching and only
> become more popular over time. He's a fighter and
> will be teaching until the day he dies. I've yet
> to have had a single negative experience from him.
> There's a lot I like about him.
> So, bring it on, if he's such a bad guy. Don't
> just mumble in forums.
We're taking a leaf out of the great masters book. Since all he does is bitch and moan about nearly every other teacher of vedanta. Surely he's enjoying his online karma.
I would love talk to him om here, I know he is reading this. I throw it back to you, what is he afraid of? Or any high ranking SW. Interact with me on here.