Hi snapping-out.

My heart is with them all too. We share that in common. Though they may hate me. I step up out of genuine love and respect for them. Truly.

Life gave me out of no where a large sum of money as well as everything else that I gave up to follow Mooji. And I have the discernment (and old worn used word for sure) around him that so few seem to be willing to develop. Another blessing is the friends I have now all speak about their own experiences and we have great dialogues and laugh and are genuinely happy. And there have been many shifts and deep understandings. I think if people at Sahaja could see what their lives could be like if they found the strength to get away and detox from Mooji’s NPD and really looked up the video on traumatic bonding, they would be UTTERLY AMAZED at what Life is going to give them.

One easy to see, double bind, which means we are playing a game of check mate with some who don’t want this all to be true is this:

If you speak anonymously then Be made it up or you are “disgruntled” or a coward.

If you go on the record Like Amma Tanya White has then you are just looking for attention and to make a name for yourself.

Another words. Don’t tell me what you are saying because I don’t want to know that M. isn’t who he claims to be. I don’t want to know he’s in shadow.

Those aren’t the people I bother with. They don’t deserve to know the truth. I speak to those who will use discernment on my statements and on M EQUALLY.

The rest are just playing a game of chess to check mate. Truth doesn’t play games!



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Be Schofield is offering a 3 week online course which may be of interest fyi:

https://www.toxicspirituality.com

Just now, Annette has described the different behaviors of those in good faith and those in bad faith.

BTW in addition to the invalidation strategies Annette describes, here is another one guru defenders use.

Let's see how long before the Moo Mob trot this one out:

They will claim whistleblowers are jealous of the women favored by the guru.

Pardon me while I yawn.

Here is the thing about gurus and die hard guru devotees.

They are so predictable.

Same behaviors, same rhetorical strategies.

The more toxic a guru becomes the more predictable he or she becomes and the more predictable the true believers become.

Same Borg behavior. Only the names change.



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Good point corboy!

I feel sorry for the women and those who think this way. And as a happily married woman never saw Mooji as anything other than a “Father Figure” and no I don’t want to have sex with my dad. But I’ve also seen people say that women may have been dismissed by him and are trying to get back at him by making things up about him. The fact is that people don’t want to give up their certainty in their beliefs about him. That’s all it is.

I don’t speak to them. I speak to people with a bit of reason to draw from. Logic and research and asking questions will reveal to anyone the truth for themselves. No one should take anyone else’s word for it. Not mine and not Mooji’s or his spokes people. They should decide for themselves.

People just choose what they want to believe based on there preferences and firmly held beliefs. They prefer Mooji to others who speak out. But others just read all of it and decide for themselves. This is just one more account for them to consider. It’s not special. And I don’t mind who does or doesn’t believe it. I know for myself first hand and have done my research. So it’s settled here. That’s all that matters and out of love and care I share it for others to decide for themselves. I have no delusions that I can change anyone’s beliefs or preferences. No one knows me and they love the way he makes them feel. I lose that crowd. But others may be able to side step this phase or heal from what I share, learn to trust themselves more. That is my motive for sharing. Nothing else.

Ok gotta go. Much love everyone. Peace.



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Giving thought to why people find it so difficult to leave a toxic group, I remember about Oxytocin, the 'love/bonding hormone'. OC (oxytocin) is most well known for babies bonding with their mothers, sexual arousal, etc. But it also has a role in group ritual, religious ecstasy, etc. Some people produce more from their hypothalamus than others (devotees, followers, bonders) - others don't (aggressors, warriors). Lots on line about OC's role in behavior. But most pertinent find was right here on Cult Ed in the ISKON thread:

[forum.culteducation.com]oxytocin and cult behavior

So here we have a biochemical component to perhaps help understand the difficulty in walking away. People do become dependent on OC when taken pharmaceutically, but we produce it naturally under certain conditions.

Oh by the way, he wanted me to feel rejected. He wanted me to feel easily replaced. He thought I was week and he saw my strength. And that is what Narcissists do. They have no empathy so if you aren’t falling in line you are no use to them.

Of course in the moment I felt he felt rejected and that confused me. As I couldn’t have loved him more. But that’s m not denouncing my love for others. What kind of Freedom is that?

Metaphorically, it’s like you were waiting for someone to pick you up, someone you looked up to a great deal and they never showed and later you found out the were a freaking serial soul killer. How rejected does one feel then? I feel saved. Saved by Grace.

I want to share one more thing about that meeting. After I told Mooji I loved other teachers by nodding when he was asking. He said “go be with them then” basically. And a friend of mine sitting opposite side of me at his feet on the ground was very out of it, he calls it “ripe”. Mooji asked for her hand to hold. In a few moments Mooji closed his eyes and holding my friends hand, my friends head fell forward and I caught her head in my hands. She was unconscious. We were all escorted down the hall and I remember looking back feeling very uneasy leaving her in there unconscious with Mooji. She re emerged and kept falling down and fainting all night. They wouldn’t let me by her, until Insay we were family. I won’t say more about her condition but I got an email from Shree saying she should have let us stay. After talking with my friend, I got a big surprise. After reading about hyponosis another surprise and after learning first hand accounts of the dirty work Shree does for M. my mind got another one.

It’s a lot clearer what M does to people now.

As I said I will be happy to speak to attorneys and or reporters. I don’t care about my image at all. I care about people like my friend and many others like her.

M can’t really touch me because I don’t have any investment in anything but truth. He can’t take that away from me. I have no weakness he can exploit. Because I don’t mind what comes if truth be told.



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Hello Annette,

I’m not active here much but I wanted to commend you on stepping forward. You may indeed get some swipes from confused people but as the saying goes “scars are nothing to be ashamed of, they only prove you were stronger than what tried to kill you”.

Henri’s videos regarding Mooji are now gone.

And so it goes...