There are other threads going into great detail about the SCAMOLAS being run by Eckhart Tolle.
The guys a salesman.
[forum.culteducation.com]

and its false about the ET events. He has events, but not as many live events as BK, because obviously ET doesn't like "people" in the personal sense.
He wants to set up a detached system, where you buy his DVD's and watch ET-TV as a group, so those are online events.

Yes, ET does not use classic LGAT tech, but he uses aspects of it.
And in FACT, ET basically doesn't do anything else other than use trance-hypnosis on people. That is ALL he is doing. Hypnosis is simply focussed-attention, and ET is directing people's focussed attention onto ET, and his products.

There are pages and pages about ET in this search. [forum.culteducation.com]

But this thread has primarily become about Byron Katie, despite the title.
But of course, other people's Gurus are bad, except our own Guru!

But ET is just a capitalist salesman, look at his website. [www.eckharttolle.com]
And yes, ET doesn't like getting down and dirty with his fans, and keeps them away. He just wants the cash, and the admiration and worship from afar, so he can sit around on his private island.

ET's website says...ARE YOU READY TO BE AWAKENED?
Wake up! That is pure NLP-trance/hypnosis induction, with an embedded presupposition. Its a scam, and ET knows what he is doing to people.
They get you on the mailing list, and suck you in, one thought at a time.

ARE YOU READY TO BE AWAKENED?
Uh, no, am awake, and am awake enough to see your sales techniques, Mr Tolle & Co. Am also awake enough, to see your use of images, and self-image marketing, and sales of countless products.
And also am awake enough to see ET use the word TRANSMISSION on his front-page, which is code for him becoming your Guru.
And am awake enough to see that ET-TV and ET-Groups is simply a new form of online LGAT. (at a safe ET distance from all those filthy customers!)

So stop the BS about ET. Puhlease...!

ET is a master-hypnotist, in even the most basic sense of the word. That is what he is doing, that is frankly all he is doing. He uses focussed-attention, and then he implants Suggestions, mainly about buying more ET products to achieve happiness.
Its a huge business, making MILLIONS.

That is really being awakened to reality.

Long ago, someone counted all the Eckhart Tolle products, and there were dozens of them.
Now there are more than that, there look to be hundreds.

And ET also is selling "retreats" which are meant to lure people to locations for that, where the upselling continues.
ET is selling almost as many things as Walmart, and more than McDonalds! McDonalds only sells a few dozen things, Eckhart is selling more than 100.

Look at those website pics of ET, STARING you in the EYES, with a slight smile. That is all carefully planned out, like the Byron Katie pics.

Eckhart Tolle, ironically, is an Egomaniac, he lives to see his photos and writings up. He especially needs to feel like he is a big INTELLECTUAL, which was always his goal.
Its like a farcical comedy, ET talking about the mind is bad, and all he does is pontificate on that for hundreds of hours with his mind.
ET is just a New Wage Guru superstar, thanks to Oprah, and he's making millions.

He has set-up an online system for his followers, as ET does not like interacting with humans, and their dirty emotions and problems problems problems, depressions, illness, and general craziness. So he's smart enough to use the internet to keep all those people at bay, yet still sell them stuff, and get their adulation.

But he needs the attention, respect, money, wealth, fame, to prop-up his fragile Ego!

It ain't that complicated...if you're now ready to be awakened from the ET-trance...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2011 03:31AM by The Anticult.

By the way, the next time some fucking New Age Guru asks you....

ARE YOU READY TO BE AWAKENED??

A good answer might be...NO I AIN'T.
- I am not ready to awakened to get upsold 167 products from your website for the next 19 years.
- I am not ready to get spoonfed your obvious persuasion tactics.
Then one might accidentally trip and dump their water bottle on the sleazy Guru who is trying to mess with your mind. Its amazing how an accidental pouring of some cold water, puts some cold water and interrupts the pattern.


The irony is these guys are NOT awakening people, they are really doing the opposite, and putting them to sleep.
If a person is not yet aware that using the phrase..ARE YOU READY TO BE AWAKENED??..is a technique used by many many others for the last 20 years, they need to wake-up and smell the coffee!

Using permissive Questions, with embedded presuppositions based in the "now"...is standard conversational hypnosis. Standard, not fancy, not occult.
This is basic stuff anyone can learn in reading a book for 30 minutes.

The scary thing is that so much of the public seems completely unaware of even the most basic obvious technique, never mind the tricky stuff.

And friends, go to your bathroom mirror and try to replicate the hand position (and the finger positions) and head tilt and smile used by your guru.

Once again, give it a try by using the mirror to imitate the precise way that BK is holding her hand and wrist and curling her fingers.

How long can you hold that position?

Then, flip the lid back and stare into your toilet.

If you need to pee or crap, do so.

Wipe.

Look down into toilet bowl.

See the guru's face in the toilet.

Put the lid down.

Flush.

Note:

One can also try this same experiment by getting a picture of BK in her current portrait on the home page of The Work.

WARNING-dont look for very long!

time, she's using her right hand, unlike left hand in the Loving What Is book jacket portrait.

This picture shows her wearing light colored outfit and all fingers on her hand are all tightly curled.

Go to your bathroom mirror, and try to replicate that hand position.

How easy was this to do?

Interesting perspective from the news.

Compartmentalizing and hyperfocusing as a way to bypass emotional pain or panic and concentrate on a task can be highly effective for very highly trained people like astronauts.

But as a psychologist warns--such compartmentalization can carry a risk of emotional rebound later on.

"On Monday, Kelly -- a veteran of 39 combat missions during Desert Storm -- officially resumed his training duties. He and his five crewmates spent much of the day in simulators practicing launch, landing and docking with the International Space Station, preparing for Endeavour's scheduled April 19 launch. NASA released video of Kelly working in the command seat in the shuttle simulator, telling colleagues: "I'm all set."

That type of training is typical for two months before launch, said Apt, who pulled out his training schedule for a 1996 flight. Days usually start around 8 a.m. and stretch till around 7 p.m. with hours upon hours of simulations. Lunch is even eaten inside the simulator with "the same food you eat on orbit," Apt said.

Experts said this not only trains astronauts for flights, but how to focus.

In some ways people who "are very successful and high achievers" generally feel better because of this well-honed compartmentalizing skills, said Virgil Zeigler-Hill, a University of Southern Mississippi psychology professor. But they also can pay a big price later with an emotional rebound that can hit hard.

"It's kind of a roller coaster," he said."

[www.boston.com]

So people coming home saying they 'experience' huge relief and ecstacy from weekend workshops may without being aware of it, have gained that relief, not by integrating their histories of trauma, but by suppressing that history through hyperfocus.

That experience of relief is vivid but, like the temporary relief given by having a bunch of drinks, it can be deceptive.

You can experience yourself as being safe to drive, but be impaired.

You can experience relief from tauma but if that relief is gained by dissociative splitting or compartmentalization, one may risk a return of pain later.

And the workshop leader may not be available.

Part of the job of a licenced therapist is being available for follow up care.

No such thing as simple treatments for PTSD

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March 2nd, 2009 by Roman General The other day I was tooling around the Internet and came across another website proclaiming to have found the"cure" for PTSD. That in three or four treatments they will be symptom free, ooo ooo ooo, and many in less! I just had to post a comment for people who would buy into this crap, to give some perspective on the misguided who may want to purchase this hopeless endeavor.

Below is the comment as I lay out a foundation and briefly discus the why and how's of chronic traumaitzation as it relates and conflicts with a possible "simple solution",

Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy (CBT) centers on skill building and the restructuring of the cognitive scaffolding that has been damaged by constant neurophysiological interactions mediated by the nervous system; the sympathetic, parasympathetic systems and regulated by the endocrine system (Clinician’s Guide to PTSD: A Cognitive-Behavioral Approach by Taylor, 2006).In cases with extensive traumatization such as chronic childhood abuse of an interpersonal nature, results in complex trauma based disorders. The cognitive structure of the brain has not fully developed as it has been arrested by the violation of relational attachments vital to interpersonal relationships. Further, the forming of the personality stems from the interactions with others as we engage with others to find our identifications and identity (The Dissociative Mind by Howell, 2005, and The Haunted Self by Van der Hart, Nijenhuis and Steele, 2006).

I have done expensive research into the causes and treatments of trauma based disorders and have found that, no one treatment can cure chronic or complex traumatization. Simple trauma based disorders may be treated on a short term basis, and this “treatment†that you claim to have perfected and can “cure†PTSD, without an evidence-based credibility does nothing to add to cutting edge treatment modalities.

As noted in Van der Hart et al. (2006) the Theory of Structural Dissociation of the Personality (Lee, 2009) and the Phase-Oriented Treatment modality covers most of the symptomology and comorbidity.

It will take years to integrate multiple traumatizations where the personality has been impeded developmentally and dissociatively compartmentalized.

Again I state that, no one treatment, can cure a chronically traumatized person of their maladies.

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Just thought I would throw out that Katie has a new "turnaround event" in Ojai for 28 days that runs... $20,000. The median income for Americans in 2009 was $32,000, or about $20,000 per year after all income taxes and FICA. I think her goal is to "turn around" your annual paycheck to her checking account.

has anyone reported BK to the Anti-Defamation League or other similar organizations for her Holocaust apologism? Seems like a good idea....

Those comments made about the Holocaust quoted in these threads, should be reported to those who investigate those issues.


And the Turnaround events, yes, its meant to turn-your-cash around, and put it into the pockets of BKI Inc.
Why else would they charge all those people 20K, which is about $1000 a day?
And remember, the ticket price is only the entrance fee. If folks have family money, they are cleared-out of many many times more than that in "donations" to "serve the Work".

As shown above, it can be donations in jewelry and wedding rings, and other valuables they are encouraged to bring.

Have all those "cash donations" been declared to the IRS?
If someone "donated" their wedding ring, and didn't get an official tax receipt for the IRS, then perhaps the IRS would be interested in hearing about these cash donations, at for-profit seminars?

As shown above, the "staff" work for free, or PAY to work, which is probably illegal, if anyone checked into it. You can't charge people to "work" at a for-profit event, all of the Doublespeak aside. That is why there are labor laws in place.

And the Byron Katie Inc money-machine keeps on rolling...

It just confounds the mind how she, among others, can be conducting individual and group "therapy" when she has no education, no training, no license or regulation. Why are these operations not shut down by authorities in a New York minute?? This woman is especially disgusting, and her remarks about child rape and the way she blames victims of rape, molestation, assault, (because they needed "love"--this woman is demented) is unforgivable, and could lead to suicide and other destructive behaviors in her victims (these people are being victimized all over again) by inducing even more shame and guilt over something that is absolutely not their fault, and the assertion (by her) that it was in any way is beyond horrible. This is one of the worst aspects of this particular guru's ideology, truly disgusting. If anyone is interested, you might want to report this to [www.rainn.org] RAINN | Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network. I think I will do so myself. A spotlight needs to be shed on this and these groups must get involved. I have never used this woman's methods, nor would I, but as a survivor of both rape and child abuse, her approach is particularly abhorrent to me personally, and I can only imagine how confusing and damaging this is to a survivor of abuse who is doing "the work". And her invalidation and minimization of the horrors of the Holocaust are beyond all imagining. It's simply astounding that she has the following she has in light of all this. I simply cannot believe how mainstream such an obviously mentally ill person's "therapy" or "self-help" has become. Frightening!!