Then of course they refuse to say anything against the group, they insist there's "value" to be had from it, and if it didn't hurt them, well what's the problem, right?
That is part of the Byron Katie alternate reality.
If someone rapes you, there was something to be learned.
If someone robs you and takes everything you own, there's value in it.
"Negative" events are turned around into positive events. And while doing The Work, people are trained to always look for that "silver lining", because that is supposedly "reality." "Reality is kind" Byron Katie repeats and repeats as a mantra, until all the tranced-out people are repeating it back and forth to each other.
So, her philosophy is... that if you see something that is not "kind" or "good"... then you are not living in "reality." Molestation. Rape. Enslavement. Murder. Violence. Neglect. Terrorism. Byron Katie says that all of these things are done out of love-- because that's all there is-- and are "kind." If you can't see it her way, then you still have more Work to do.
If Jon (or anyone involved in The Work) were to think or speak negatively of us on this forum, and didn't see us as "kind", The Work would require him to judge us, and turn all of his judgments around to himself until he had convinced himself that we are kind.
In reality, some of us here are not very kind to apologists. (I take credit for my part in that.) So, by doing The Work on us, Jon would lose twice. He would get us roasting him... and then he would have to turn whatever he thinks about us to himself. Isn't this insane??? When it reaches this point, the person has lost their dignity, integrity, and their grip on reality. AND, he's still going to be smeared by the people on this forum. It leaves people incapable of self-defense and self-preservation... and wide open to abuses of all kinds.
For Example: If he thought: "The rickross forum is mean"
, he would be required to use the four questions and find the "turnarounds", like... "The rickross forum is not mean. The rickross forum is nice. I am mean. My thoughts are mean."
Then, he would have to find 3 real-life examples of each "turnaround" to reinforce this perception of reality in his mind. If that doesn't stick, then he'd have to do it again and again until it did.
In the end, he would probably end up seeing us as having done him some huge cosmic favor... for causing him to have to do "The Work" again, and "showing himself to himself." In this case, doing The Work may not be in Jon's own best interest.
Also, in Byron Katie Land, people are using The Work in their efforts to become "clear." (Like Byron Katie, supposedly.) It's sort of like cleaning a windshield, and The Work is the window cleaner. Every time they encounter something stressful, it is supposed to show them "what is left" to do The Work on. They do The Work, clean the windshield, and can see more with more "clarity"... at least that is the philosophy. Being in this forum for Jon is probably like... for lack of a better metaphor... finding a big nasty bug stuck on the windshield.
If he's not "clear" then he may not see us as kind and good. And if that happens, then he's got more Work to do, and he will probably thank us all for showing him that big bug on the windshield that he missed. For him, this is some great opportunity to get more "clarity." He's been trained to see us in the best positive light, and to be "open" to it. That is what he is obviously trying to do here.
The reality of it is ironic. This forum really is an opportunity to more clarity, for anyone and everyone. The irony that comes about in dealing with Byron Katie and her stuff... leaves me dumbfounded sometimes.
That's the best I can do to describe this aspect of the Byron Katie disciple mentality. Been there, done that. It was a self-made prison, with no boundaries.
Hell, not heaven.
Oh... the irony.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/05/2008 09:07AM by jj52.