I believe Glenn's association with the community...
Whatever happened to, "I would say it's a cult. I would say it's a sect. I would say it's a madness. I would say it's a lot of things. And yes of course Dave is the guru of the Jesus Christians."
So now it's a "community" and DM is to be credited for his effective "parental substitution"? Gee, this sure sounds like an apologist to me.
It strikes me as funny that others complain about what McKay writes, and then complain when he removes it. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I think we should be encouraging him to delete the whole thing.
Zeuszor, it would be great if you could stop attacking me for my choice of words, but I don't suppose you can unless I simply refrain from commenting on this forum. I must say that I found a lot of comfort and healing offered by Malcolm and others on this thread at the time when our family member was actively involved with the JCs and isolating himself from us. I find lashings of criticism handed out here these days, and Dave's cult is not the sole focus of that criticism by a long shot.
Nothing has happened to what I have said in the past, except you have pulled up my words at an inappropriate moment to slap me in the face with them for no other reason I can see than to maintain control of all views expressed on this thread. Zeuszor, I can accept that your views differ to mine. Please have the decency to reciprocate this acceptance. Finding respect for difference is one of the signs that confirms you're not in a cult.This is the second time that you have re-interpreted my words to read that I have offered praise of Dave for his effective parental substitution.
I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT ZEUSZOR - FAR FROM IT, AND WOULD THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO STOP IMPLYING THAT I EVER HAVE, OR EVER WOULD.
*N.B., at the same time I made the remarks you have quoted here, in other interviews in this country I also pointed out that I preferred to use the word "community" out of respect for my loved one, with less inflammatory language being preferable when you are trying to engage in dialogue with a group member, since the word "cult" does carry instantly negative connotations.
I don't back away from either of those statements, and don't think it necessary for you to use them as grounds for personal criticism.
And while we're speaking of difference, I am one of those of the view that it is unfortunate that Davejc is removing/altering posts on the locked forum. Many of those were the best evidence of his very unChristian focus and behaviour: of the lies, the nit-picking and the anger which all the members reflected sooner or later in their dealings with others. Out of their own mouths... as the saying goes. I thought it was a useful resource for potentials to study, and it would be a shame to have that deconstructed and sanitised.
Here is the original quote from you, ma'am. I offer no analysis and present it in its original context. To me, it's reads as if you are commending DM and his consort for their skills in "parental substitution." But that's just my perception. Maybe I'm wrong.I might add that we are also very proud of our own children and their achievements. In fact, parental substitution is what Dave and Cherry seem to have provided very effectively to their recruits over the years.
Maybe you weren't suggesting that Glen be invited back. I think you have accepted the umpire's decision.
Maybe you just meant that he (and the others) perhaps shouldn't have been banned in the first place.
From what I know, you are the Mary McKillop of the ex-members, and not one who I want to offend.
You are, from what I know, a lovely lady. I do respect you, and I mean no disrespect to you personally. And it is because
I respect you that I will be perfectly frank in expressing what I will express next.
In all honesty, ma'am, I think that you hold a naive point of view that says that if everyone chats nicely with one another on the forums, then all the problems in the JCs' world will be resolved.
Now, I am not saying that you are a generally naive person, but that this in this instance your perspective is a naive one.
It's like with a particular X-member inviting DM and the JCs to chat on the XJC site. All that would happen (if he and they showed up), is they would have a competition on who could cut and paste the most, and write ten sentences over and over, analyzing the one sentence the other wrote.
I think face to face contact or one on one private correspondence is probably the only way
that exmembers could hope to have an influence on existing members. And even then, they would have to be able to penetrate Dave's pre-planned anti "murmuring" or "gossiping" defense strategy!
We might have to organize a "spot a 'disbanded' JC member" competition!
I am guessing as well that you may be worried that Glen may go over to DM again, if he feels unsupported by "our side." But I say, that's his problem.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/11/2010 04:37AM by zeuszor.