Re: Universal medicine
Date: April 08, 2013 06:39AM

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"Religion is not about rituals, clothing, adornments, rules or fear. After all how can there be fear with love?"

[truthaboutuniversalmedicine.com]

Yet Rod follows a cultic belief system centered on fear (of supernatural entities, global calamities and karmic condemnation to further non-esoteric earthly incarnations), ritualistic behavior (everything from breathing, walking, food preparation to yoga and meditation has to be Serge approved), adornments (pendants and healing cards bearing Serge's imaginary magical symbols) and a comprehensive set of rules and regulations that define and divide every aspect of life into pranic or fiery, good ("esoteric") or evil.

UM is the epitome of everything that Rod asserts "religion doesn't have to be".

I have now heard of a few humanists falling for Serge's inane sub par belief system of crap. It appears that it is exceedingly easy to trick someone who doesn't believe in god into instead believing that they don't because they have shut themselves down to their 'inner heart'- This is a trick of semantics, and you would think anyone with basic intelligence would fall prey to it. I guess it doesn't surprise me Rod does ( ouch)

The problem is the word belief; which is the capacity to give credit to a construct for which absolutely no evidence exists at all.

It is far different to say- I would like to think god exists because they makes me feel good and gives my life meaning (which all humans seek) but as there is an abundant lack of evidence, I will have to operate on the information I have at hand and my senses inform me. A purely rational position, and incidentally one Leonardo Da Vinci espoused.

To believe in god because you feel an inner warmth is also irrational. It is nice, I have felt it too. But it doesn't prove the existence of god, who remains strangely mute throughout human history and can't even be found hiding out in sub-atomic particles waiting to say 'boo!'.

Humans can feel love in abundance via our finely tune nervous system. We can connect to other people via empathic union and express love to people close to us, the community (through service) and even people in distant lands. All of which Serge ( AKA scourge) denounces as evil. Perhaps rather than seeking "god who is love" (who keeps well and truly to him/herself) and then having to buy into a whole set of whacky and far out belief systems ( and in the case of UM, Serge's perversely over-sexualised, gonad crushing, pedophilia and murder obsessed doctrines) we could just acknowledge that as human beings- god or not- we have a great capacity for love.

We don't need to overlay it with belief systems and patently stupid ideas, especially those that emanate from a charlatan and pervert. Rod, in his new found "wisdom" is crediting Serge with waking him up to something. It is a sad indictment of humanity that we are that stupid and the locus of control is so far outside of ourselves that "wisdom" can come from such a faulty source and go unchecked by so many- and that those people, paraphrasing Serge and in his voice, spend the precious minutes of their short and very real lives, endorsing it and qualifying their beliefs- that is, something that has an abundant lack of evidence.

Rod, you are a first class knob. I would ask Serge if he keeps your balls in a safe place. One day you might want them back.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: VenusDarkly ()
Date: April 08, 2013 04:13PM

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.No one would care if he had business that went bad in the past. It happens to most business people. But why bullshit about it? When he was confronted by the New ltd journalist (yes, I talk to them) he flatly denied ever been bankrupt as 'scurrilous lies' and then went on a 5 minute rant about 'young girls being 'split' by older men' Charming stuff. And all on record. The tape was running. What a nob. It was only when the documents were waved in his face that he splutteringly admitted to it and then promptly blamed it on someone else.
As many of you may know, Natalie hosts group 'workshops' and/or activities specifically aimed at teenagers. I was assured by a UM student that Natalie has told the parents of these teens that in the non-UM teenage community, the sexual initiation allegedly referred to as 'splitting' is rampant amongst teenage girls. According to Natalie, it's not enough for under-age girls to simply lose their virginity, they are under immense pressure from their peers to lose their virginity to far older men and in as rough and vigorous fashion as possible, hence being 'split'.

While I'm sure this sort of thing happens, I have never heard of this activity being referred to as 'splitting' anywhere apart from within UM circles. If it was a widely known 'rite of passage' occurence amongst teenagers with its own slang definition, you can rest assured there'd be references to it online at the very least, but there appears to be nothing of the sort. As such, I propose that the whole thing is a scare tactic cooked up by Serge designed to frighten parents into coercing their children into joining the UM cult.

Moreover, given that Serge's sexual interest in Miranda began when she was barely, if at all, a teenager and he was in his 30's, once again we seem to have aother UM related concept (intended to malign people outside of the cult) that is in fact based on Serge's own misconduct.

Yes. Projecting much, Serge?

I was just delivered some EDG notes I hadn't seen, taken and distributed by Esoteric SAINT and breast masseuse, Elizabeth Dolan. It appears at an EDG lecture in December 2011, 'splitting' was the subject of a lengthy rant by Skerge.

In the New Era the energy is going to highlight extreme behaviours. We need to keep up with what is going on around us. Don't close off to it. Serge spoke about something that 10, 11, 12 year old girls are going in Goonellabah and no doubt the rest of the world. It is called "splitting" - meaning that these young girls are having sex with older boys and the sex has to be rough and hard enough that it causes the girl to bleed (not from breaking the hymen but from the roughness of the act). The name of the game is that the boys have to make the girls bleed while the girls have to be able to prevent themselves from bleeding. For the boys, they are a hero is they can make the girl bleed, for the girls they are a hero if they can withstand the act and NOT bleed. Parents are now sharing porn with their 8-year-old child.

That's some imagination, and yes no evidence of the term being a colloquialism anywhere. And poor Elizabeth has no idea she's being done over.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: VenusDarkly ()
Date: April 08, 2013 04:16PM

Mind you, that was also after the part in her notes where she says we have 45,000 chakras.

Gawd.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: Eric Dobbs ()
Date: April 08, 2013 06:36PM

Esoteric Splitting - brought to you and thus energetically impressed from the Ancient Bullshitters by :
........ that star of Stage ,Screen and Television -mr Serge lock up your daughters Benhayon (who does take cash and donations -tax deductible of course )

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Re: Universal medicine
Date: April 08, 2013 08:12PM

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.No one would care if he had business that went bad in the past. It happens to most business people. But why bullshit about it? When he was confronted by the New ltd journalist (yes, I talk to them) he flatly denied ever been bankrupt as 'scurrilous lies' and then went on a 5 minute rant about 'young girls being 'split' by older men' Charming stuff. And all on record. The tape was running. What a nob. It was only when the documents were waved in his face that he splutteringly admitted to it and then promptly blamed it on someone else.
As many of you may know, Natalie hosts group 'workshops' and/or activities specifically aimed at teenagers. I was assured by a UM student that Natalie has told the parents of these teens that in the non-UM teenage community, the sexual initiation allegedly referred to as 'splitting' is rampant amongst teenage girls. According to Natalie, it's not enough for under-age girls to simply lose their virginity, they are under immense pressure from their peers to lose their virginity to far older men and in as rough and vigorous fashion as possible, hence being 'split'.

While I'm sure this sort of thing happens, I have never heard of this activity being referred to as 'splitting' anywhere apart from within UM circles. If it was a widely known 'rite of passage' occurence amongst teenagers with its own slang definition, you can rest assured there'd be references to it online at the very least, but there appears to be nothing of the sort. As such, I propose that the whole thing is a scare tactic cooked up by Serge designed to frighten parents into coercing their children into joining the UM cult.

Moreover, given that Serge's sexual interest in Miranda began when she was barely, if at all, a teenager and he was in his 30's, once again we seem to have aother UM related concept (intended to malign people outside of the cult) that is in fact based on Serge's own misconduct.

Yes. Projecting much, Serge?

I was just delivered some EDG notes I hadn't seen, taken and distributed by Esoteric SAINT and breast masseuse, Elizabeth Dolan. It appears at an EDG lecture in December 2011, 'splitting' was the subject of a lengthy rant by Skerge.

In the New Era the energy is going to highlight extreme behaviours. We need to keep up with what is going on around us. Don't close off to it. Serge spoke about something that 10, 11, 12 year old girls are going in Goonellabah and no doubt the rest of the world. It is called "splitting" - meaning that these young girls are having sex with older boys and the sex has to be rough and hard enough that it causes the girl to bleed (not from breaking the hymen but from the roughness of the act). The name of the game is that the boys have to make the girls bleed while the girls have to be able to prevent themselves from bleeding. For the boys, they are a hero is they can make the girl bleed, for the girls they are a hero if they can withstand the act and NOT bleed. Parents are now sharing porn with their 8-year-old child.

That's some imagination, and yes no evidence of the term being a colloquialism anywhere. And poor Elizabeth has no idea she's being done over.

What, 14 to 17 year old girls?! What a surprise. Uncle Serge has been thinking about that? I am absolutely shocked. Time for some more cognitive dissonance. bzzzzzzzz. Okay, that is now out of my mind. INTEGRITY!

So we have Scourgey picking up his favorite theme of young girls (no mention of boys being abused...again) a fascination with their nether regions. Him having girls of that age range regularly hanging out at the pad across from his 'clinic' or at his home, his current wife coming into his world when she was thirteen, hours of talk about pedophilia, a rant about how 'when you can't get that pretty young girl out of your mind it is an ENTITY", a girl to women front, a very unusual focus on breasts, ovaries and the sexual lives of his followers....

No, nothing suss here. Nothing at all.

bzzzzzz- AMAZING, INTEGRITY, I feel so good, hot bath, soft skin, lovely, yummy, WOW, connected, LOVELY- Men are abusers! Men just want to have sex with me, Men are hard, Men ful energy, Men are brutes, Men impose on me....... bzzzzzzz

Men-tal note: I am SO absolutely amazing. Am I bad to ignore my partner? No, Serge said I must honour myself first to be truly loving.... I must book into the next event. Remember to get cash tomorrow to pay. Having cash to pay Serge shows my integrity. bzzzzzz

Men-tal note if I am a man- Must kick myself in the balls. Balls bad. Must write a letter to somebody to show I am super pro-women. IGNORE attraction to women. Bad. Very Bad. I am hard, must be more feminine. Stop liking sport. Remember to get cash to pay Serge shows my integrity. bzzzzzzz

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: MacReady ()
Date: April 09, 2013 04:31AM

Let's be clear: if Serge has actually heard testimonies (either from the victims or their parents) of girls as young as 10 engaging in violent intercourse with older male partners, or of parents showing pornography to their own children (as young as 8) then he needs to report it to the police. If he does not do so he is an accessory to the abuse

If he has not heard such testimonies, then what is his source for such claims? He could be collating information from news stories, but he said these things are happening in Goonellabah, which is pretty damn specific, so where are the reports?

Oh, that's right. There aren't any. The information probably came to Serge via an "impress" from the Hierarchy.

Except there is no Hierarchy. It doesn't exist. It's just a bullshit invention of Alice A. Bailey which Serge has appropriated for his own personal gain.

Which leaves us with the disturbing fact that Serge is sitting around fantasizing about 10 year old girls in his local area being violently broken in by older men, and 8 year old children being exposed to pornography by their parents. All this from a man who first locked eyes on his current wife when she was 12- 13 years old.

And parents in the UM cult send their pubescent daughters to stay at his house without their supervision.

Does this sound love-ly? Beauty-full?

How much more obvious does it have to get, students?

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: VenusDarkly ()
Date: April 12, 2013 08:25PM

More love and light from Serge, courtesy of Elizabeth Dolan's stellar note taking skills.

Trigger warning for those in recovery from sexual abuse.

From EDG notes, February 2012:

...The soul cannot interfere with karma. Serge gave the example of a rapist. If he/she is jailed but does not learn that what they did was wrong and that it will affect the person they raped for the rest of their life then they will have to come back and experience rape in their next life. Then at the end of that life if they say, "I could never rape anyone" then the healing can begin. There is always a part of us that says to the soul "bring it on, I want to heal.". We could never imagine ourselves agreeing to be raped in order to learn a lesson but we do agree.

It takes 3 to rape - the man or women, the first spirit that enters the potential rapist and makes sure they lose themselves by triggering thoughts, emotions etc. and then the 2nd entity that leaves the imprint of rape in the person who is raped. An esoteric practitioner can clear this seed of rape. Otherwise it is left in the person who was raped until the person who raped them comes to their senses, see that they have harmed the person they raped and truly start their own healing. The soul assists with this.


Victim blaming.
Dehumanizing the victim.
Portraying the perpetrator as the 'true' victim.
Having emotions and thoughts turn you into a rapist.
Self control overridden by conveniently invented supernatural entities. The devil made him do it.
Plugging esoteric 'healing', and we know what is 'great for cases of rape recovery'. We've seen the images. But for which party?

Universal Medicine is sick.

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Re: Universal medicine
Date: April 13, 2013 05:45AM

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More love and light from Serge, courtesy of Elizabeth Dolan's stellar note taking skills.

Trigger warning for those in recovery from sexual abuse.

From EDG notes, February 2012:

...The soul cannot interfere with karma. Serge gave the example of a rapist. If he/she is jailed but does not learn that what they did was wrong and that it will affect the person they raped for the rest of their life then they will have to come back and experience rape in their next life. Then at the end of that life if they say, "I could never rape anyone" then the healing can begin. There is always a part of us that says to the soul "bring it on, I want to heal.". We could never imagine ourselves agreeing to be raped in order to learn a lesson but we do agree.

It takes 3 to rape - the man or women, the first spirit that enters the potential rapist and makes sure they lose themselves by triggering thoughts, emotions etc. and then the 2nd entity that leaves the imprint of rape in the person who is raped. An esoteric practitioner can clear this seed of rape. Otherwise it is left in the person who was raped until the person who raped them comes to their senses, see that they have harmed the person they raped and truly start their own healing. The soul assists with this.


Victim blaming.
Dehumanizing the victim.
Portraying the perpetrator as the 'true' victim.
Having emotions and thoughts turn you into a rapist.
Self control overridden by conveniently invented supernatural entities. The devil made him do it.
Plugging esoteric 'healing', and we know what is 'great for cases of rape recovery'. We've seen the images. But for which party?

Universal Medicine is sick.

The Cult Counselors who are looking after ex- UM members and victims of other groups told me early in the piece that this type of subverted justifications for rape, murder and pedophilia are just what they seem to be. And common in cults.

Sick is right- It's nauseating to think that 'students' sit through this tripe, takes notes and distribute it to each other and then call it 'love'.

What the hell does any of this have do with your average person anyway? Most people aren't given to these extreme forms of sociopathic behaviours. How does the advance anyone at all? It doesn't. It is just part of a big sick game Serge has going on and they are unwittingly pawns in it. As I have said before, it is all about him and his aggrandizement.

And it's not like it is hidden. This overtly sexualised, blame the victim stuff is all through his so-called philosophy books. It's like he has no awareness of how obvious it is to anyone not in a trance by his soft cooing tones and trigger words.

Luckily it is in the hands of people that know better. And many of them have reached exactly the same conclusions as us. Now, all we need is some evidence....or do we?

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Re: Universal medicine
Date: April 16, 2013 05:35AM

I know we have been over this ground before, and we are at the site of the worlds foremost cult expert, but I thought it couldn't hurt. I found this neat little article about cults and thought I would share.

"Cults are religious groups or organizations that espouse teachings that stray from what established religions view as the norm. There are several characteristics and signs of a cult, but one thing that all cults have in common is a leader. While cults often present new teachings or revelations that adherents must follow, it is true that these teachings come from the leader or guru. In cults, the leader is infallible, speaks for God, presents new information, ideas or teachings that cannot be questioned, but must be accepted by all members.

The first sign of a cult is that the leader is always right.

Cult leaders are viewed as infallible, and often their followers continue to venerate the leader following his or her death. It is not uncommon for cults to state they received prophecies, visions or other communication from a cult leader following his or her death.

Cult leaders offer followers their hidden knowledge and secret wisdom in exchange for complete surrender. Many cult leaders use mind-control techniques in order to sway their followers that they have obtained special knowledge or insight into God that they are incapable of discovering on their own. Followers are made to feel that if they discredit, question or disagree with the cult leader’s teachings, they will be found displeasing and unworthy of the group, the leader and ultimately God.

Doubting or questioning a cult leader is off limits and is often a sign members are working against the group and its leader.

Those who choose to question or doubt a cult leader are often viewed as evil or being possessed by satan himself. Many cults physically abuse and punish those who question or doubt the leader. These mind control techniques are used to demand complete submission from the group.

One thing that must be noted is that cult members often attribute qualities and attributes to a cult leader that are not only fanatical, but often differ from the accomplishments of the leader. Most cult leaders have no significant accomplishments or anything that would cause them to stand out as distinguished individual or leader, however, the cult will exalt the accomplishments of a cult leader to the status of God or as someone next to God. Many cult leaders are believed to be in direct communication with God, therefore their words are viewed as divine.

While the belief that all humans are fallible is readily prevalent in societies worldwide, cult leaders are often viewed as being above reproach, holy and without sin. Most cult members view their leaders as people who have reached a state of perfection.

Because humans are not infallible, the standard cult members hold their leaders to can cause problems. It isn’t uncommon for cult leaders to be involved in depraved activities. Group sex, pedophilia, murder, drug use, money laundering and alcohol abuse are just a few of the activities that can hurt a cult leader’s standing should they be found out. As many cult members are expected to live up to unrealistic standards, cult leaders devise schemes to cover up their illicit behavior.

One of the most prevalent techniques used by cult leaders is that they claim to be God’s mouthpiece or oracle. This way, they can continue to manipulate and control their followers with their higher wisdom and insight, while remaining fallible. Some cult leaders blame their failures on attacks from the devil, witchcraft or even blaming those in the group for evil practices that led to the failure.

If you are unclear whether you are in a cult, or if the leader of your religious group is getting more praise and worship then deserved, consider what the reaction would be if you pointed out a failing of the leader. Are you at liberty to discuss mistakes the leader has made with other members? Can you point out something the leader has said or done to other members and have your conversation result in a sharing of ideas?

There is no person on the face of the planet who is above reproach, questioning or critique. God did not give this power to any person or political leader.

If the people cannot exercise their freedom to question the actions of their leaders, then they are in an unhealthy situation run by a dictator, tyrant or possibly a cult leader."

Source- [www.examiner.com]

The more distant I become from UM the more obvious it is that Serge is simply a man with a personality disorder. There is clearly some effect that when you stand too close you can't see what you are looking at and you come under the sphere of influence, a bit like a bit of iron getting too near a magnet. At a certain point you just get sucked right in, and you don't know why. I might be going mad, but I often find myself shaking my head and laughing to myself in total disbelief that anyone could find Serge's ramblings and concocted ideas anything more than a form of insanity. To think that people are giving up their lives to follow his 'way' is madness as great as his. They think it is love- we know it is small mindedness, deceit, self-deception, and even hate. Its ugly, scary stuff.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: HowDoesItHappen ()
Date: April 16, 2013 12:40PM

Just found this and thought it was applicable to a lot of what UMers say online. Quite a few of the other fallacies apply too:
[yourlogicalfallacyis.com]

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