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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: frodobaggins ()
Date: July 13, 2012 08:33AM

I have been involved on this forum since around page 10 and after every new page someone has something more crazy, disturbing or down right ridiculous to report on Serge and Universal Medicine. I keep thinking that Universal Medicine, Serge and his family couldnt get any worse yet im mistaken every day i look at this site. Every day there is a new twist to the story. It leaves me speechless that Serge and his daugher would publicly talk on such personal topics with such arrogance. Serge being a mortal man how is it that you relate to womens issues? Oh im sorry.... were you a female in a past life right?.... so therefore can pass on such valuable insight?



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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: lifetruetome ()
Date: July 13, 2012 09:07AM

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John lazuras

The initial imprint of creating the tampon came from the consciousness that periods are a nuisance and ‘I just want to keep going’. Once this energy is removed from the body it is much easier to connect with the true energy of our cervix, to connect with our preciousness.
Serge then came on stage and said that the energy of a tampon in our body is like having sex with the dirtiest guy you know all the way through your period.
Serge can present to a group of women and us feel at ease with him because he energetically holds the energy of a true women very deeply in his body.”

2. “Natalie asked if the woman in the back would like to ask a question……It is like having sex with the company (Tampax).
It was Serge!
He then joined Natalie on stage.
Would you put one in your behind?……..yet your cervix is more sacred.
Think of the worse man you can think of. You are walking around with his penis inside you.
It is most important to have a relationship with your body first.
Serge then continued the presentation.”

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I find what Serge has said about having sex with the dirtiest guy you know, to be so offensive, if it all wasn't so serious I would find his comments laughable as they are absurd. He has based everything on fear, which is such a harmful destructive way to control people. What if one of those women in that room had been raped and then to have Serge retrigger or traumatise them about wearing tampons? What if they were wearing a tampon on that day?
I can't believe my beautiful strong minded friend who had opinions and a wicked sense of humour could sit and listen to this complete fear based brain washing. As Serge is a man I don't think he can comment on the energy of a tampon, and as Natalie is in her early 20's and obviously hasn't left home or done any of her own living away from her family then who is she to comment on such big life cycles as woman's monthly periods, especially women who have gone through or are in the throws of menopause.

This whole UM philosophy is based on fear, fear is the hook. I agree with KIK, that working in mental health you try to draw on positives in peoples lives and not scare them into submission. How dare Serge Benhayon and his brainwashed daughter (I actually feel sorry for her because she is going to need some serious therapy if UM ever falls apart) comment on what women use during their menses.

To Serge, you are so hypocritical, if tampons are bad then why are pads ok? what about the energy of the pad? Serge, what about the energy of the airplanes you fly around in? what about the energy of the gluten free food you eat. Are you at home making everything from scratch with your pure unadulterated energy so you can't be effected by the evil pranic forces out to get us all? How can you be so sure about the energy of anything you use, ie the portable computer you are using right now, or the clothes you are wearing (do you grow cotton and have it all made for you so it can't have an ounce of pranic energy in it) I doubt it so stop picking on women. You really are a clever man. You have marketed yourself at middle class women, looking for a little more to their life, and you have honed in on them and taken them for an astral ride of the most egocentric kind. Also serge, if you read this, if you are so hell bent on "fiery love" why don't you offer anything for free? Do you go around hospitals trying to heal the sick? do you go into indigenous communities and offer money or support? Some how I doubt it. Please Serge, leave all these women alone and have a long hard think of the destruction you are causing. Also please don't align yourself with the Dali Lama, I have met him and he is way cool and full of compassion and love of a true kind, not a fear based money making kind.

I don't think indigenous Australians or women would have got the vote if they didn't get slightly pranically motivated. The civil rights movement in the US came out of demonstrations. Being completely unemotional and detached doesn't help the downtrodden all of the time. Emotions such as anger and/or fear need to be felt to move us out of dangerous situations or create the impetus of positive change. Unfortunately, your circular arguments about feeling vs emotions doesn't allow your students to fight or flight and get the hell out of UM.

Ok now I have had my little emotional pranic outburst I can get on with the day.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: MacReady ()
Date: July 13, 2012 11:44AM

If Serge is actually sexualizing women's hygiene products, (and doing so in a manner that deems sex 'dirty'), then he's just as unstable as a fundamental Christian Evangelist.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: treefern ()
Date: July 13, 2012 04:09PM

Goodness gracious me, as a woman with 46 years of periods under her belt for the life of me I can't work out why on Gods good earth anyone would want to talk about such a boring subject, let alone pay to hear about it? I loved their purpose (periods)but didn't enjoy the years of a giant wad of cotton between my legs, never used a tampon wish I had now in light of some things Serge said! (excuse me men) Maybe when Natalie grows up she may change her mind about 'about loving it' and after a few years of keeping a period diary.....(don't these women have anythings better to do with their time?) get bored with the thought of writing it all down.

For all of you dear men out there who are wondering why such an intimate subject has been taken to the stage, several thoughts come to mind.

Freud would be clapping in his grave, his theory that women are all looking to marry men 'just like their fathers' has been proven here with poor little Natalie. She has been indoctrinated with the notion that there isn't another man alive who can 'make love' as well as dear old dad. Didn't poor Prince Charles get into huge trouble when telephone conversations between he and Camilla were released, years ago? Wasn't he the poor bugger that murmed something about wishing he were Camillas underpants, so he could be close to her all the time?

So lets think of 'sex with the dirtiest guy you know' for up to 7 days a month, um yes got a picture of that very guy in my mind......now for all of the panting women in the audience that seem to fantasize about Serge being the 'perfect' man....(well he does tell them that doesn't he?) Lets put a special energized sanitary pad in your pants for 7 days...I will let your imagination do the rest.

That brings me to my second point, looks like UM must be bringing out a new item to their range..firey sanitry pads!

I feel very embarassed for all of the gullible women who sat through this travisty of a lecture and didn't get up and demand their money back.

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Re: Universal medicine
Date: July 13, 2012 05:30PM

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Hi All,

Please read the below points that have been recently discussed at Natalie Benhayon Esoteric Womens Presentation in England in recent months. These are extracts from the notes from the group on what was discussed…..in their words.


1. “Since Natalie presented about periods and the period diary every single women who has tried having a period using pads instead of tampons has loved it and had the most amazing period ever. Even those who were very challenged by the idea of using pads instead of tampons have found them to be much more supportive of their body.

The initial imprint of creating the tampon came from the consciousness that periods are a nuisance and ‘I just want to keep going’. Once this energy is removed from the body it is much easier to connect with the true energy of our cervix, to connect with our preciousness.
Serge then came on stage and said that the energy of a tampon in our body is like having sex with the dirtiest guy you know all the way through your period.
Serge can present to a group of women and us feel at ease with him because he energetically holds the energy of a true women very deeply in his body.”

2. “Natalie asked if the woman in the back would like to ask a question……It is like having sex with the company (Tampax).
It was Serge!
He then joined Natalie on stage.
Would you put one in your behind?……..yet your cervix is more sacred.
Think of the worse man you can think of. You are walking around with his penis inside you.
It is most important to have a relationship with your body first.
Serge then continued the presentation.”

3.” Natalie said - Teenage girls are not asked out to prom nights or special occasions now; but shown porn sites and said lets go and do this in our break time.
At 15 you are now defined by your “hand job or your” blow job “and they are all doing it so it has become part of the norm. If you want to be in the “in-crowd” now you have to say yes. Before if you were easy and slept around you would have been known as a slut.”





This is some sick stuff but somehow not suprising. Serge is able to normalise any boundary crossing behaviour, and it again demonstrates that his students/followers will swallow anything he has to say, no matter how twisted.
This again is a part of Serge's control mechanisms over this mostly female followers. It hints at the depth of the control he wants to exercise which extends to how women view the relationships, intimacy and their bodies.

Let me pose a few questions.
1. Why is there no male equivalent, like a EMG?- I would love to hear the metaphors ( answer: men are not Serge's paying audience and wont 'buy' his nonsense. Given he energetically holds the energy of a women, it doesnt look like he has space to energetically hold the energy of a man- self evident)
2. Why does Serge need to demonise sexuality and again men by implication? ( read above)
3. Why does Serge and his young woefully inexperienced charge assume all 15 years are running around giving hand/blow jobs? that is one sick and twisted mind at work. ( again i say, what Serge talks about reveals a lot about himself and not the subject)

Don't you love the setup? Serge waiting to theatrically spring into action to expose the great plot of tampon companies world wide to inject bad energy of the worst mans penis into every women.... What are we really talking about here Serge, and why is that on your mind? Hmmm ( read above) It is like Serge wants to assure the absolute chastity of his students having already eliminated many of the man folk and their horrible penises that shoot terrible sex energy that cannot match his cosmic fully body orgasmic love making of which every one in the world is jealous...

Which leads me to something that has been perplexing me for some time. We are all aware that MANY couples have broken up once one member becomes a 'student'- the details are very similiar. the drop in intimacy, the so called reason, the words said, the non negotiation, .. Serge must be aware of many if not all of them. However, has Serge ever once suggested directly to one of his students to work on the relationship? Yes we know he offers a 'choice' to his students- but does he ever suggest directly and firmly that the relationship is worth working on? I think we all know the answer...

and that leads back to what he is up to. It is a slow immersion of removing one so-called 'imposed' set of beliefs and roles and then anyone who objects, and then replacing them with his own and his world view and then himself. Talk about 'Imposing'

Serge accuses people that are against him or 'the work' as being insanely jealous.... well, again Serge you show your hand and tell us the contents of your mind.

To the women under Serge's spell. No man should assume to tell you the sanctity of your own body and invade your person by filling your minds with such vile comparisons. Since you have learnt not to be shocked at those invasions we here will do it for you. How you want to relate to men and your body is up to you, not some sick little narcisstic man with strange ideas about the world.

You may think there is some truth to what Serge and his exponents say. My answer is, there is nothing more evil than a half truth...because Serge says some things that may be right, does that make him right or give him a right greater than yours? Take your lives back Students.



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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: July 13, 2012 11:35PM

If you're active and athletic, tampons are necessary.

Then again, SB doesnt approve of exercise, does he?

Its difficult enough to struggle with body image disorders.

When something so powerful is linked to a cosmology and a male guru, thats difficult to recover from.

Imagine the difficulty of facing that one allowed a MAN (via his daughter) to, literally, get into one's pants by dictating what kinds of feminine hygiene products to use?

Very intrusive, invasive of one's boundaries--and, IMO, creepy.

Going by the report of that lecture, SB is linking use of a tampon to penile penetration by someone nasty.

And a lot of Serge's female devotees are becoming averse to sex with their husbands and male partners.

Avoidance of any sort of penetration (except penetration from Serge's own ideas) is becoming the theme.

This has further implications.

As women are taught to fear tampons, how can they imagine getting regular GYN exams--something that could give early diagnosis of of a life threatening condition?

As a woman becomes more involved in heeding the teachings of the Benhayons puts a fear driven set of rituals and avoidances around her intimate parts, going to a medical professional for a GYN exam will become unthinkable.





And difficult to recover from.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: HerbertKane178 ()
Date: July 14, 2012 02:58AM

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corboy

Avoidance of any sort of penetration (except penetration from Serge's own ideas) is becoming the theme.

This has further implications.

As women are taught to fear tampons, how can they imagine getting regular GYN exams--something that could give early diagnosis of of a life threatening condition?

As a woman becomes more involved in heeding the teachings of the Benhayons puts a fear driven set of rituals and avoidances around her intimate parts, going to a medical professional for a GYN exam will become unthinkable.

I think this is really important Corboy. Good point.

If Serge is teaching the energy of putting a tampon in your vagina is "is like having sex with the dirtiest guy you know all the way through your period", then how would he view a gynecological speculum? Creating fear, where none has existed previously, with no sane reason for doing it, is immoral and dangerous.

The early diagnosis of ALL medical conditions is imperative.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: Gibbs ()
Date: July 14, 2012 04:47AM

Re tampons;

This is a new one!

I honestly don't get why Serge would say stuff like this unless he is convinced what he is saying is true and doesn't care what people think. Or is incredibly daft.

If control and money is what drives the man, I can't help but wonder why he says so many things that get people off side.

Really stupid way to build a large following.

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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: rebecca08 ()
Date: July 14, 2012 06:19AM

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HI All
Yes John, we have access to ALL the emails that go out too- here's a recent example of some image control of the group via a facebook sendout. I think this fits the 'constricting attention' criteria,

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As a fellow student and as someone who works as a social media manager, I felt to share a few observations about current communication practices on Facebook.

By and large, Esoteric students are starting to do and say some amazing things on Facebook and there is much to be inspired by, however, I have noticed that sometimes students are posting comments as if they are in a room full of other Esoteric students and not in the public sphere. Posting cryptic acronyms or Esoteric terminology that only we as a community understand is posting without regard to our responsibility to be bridging and inclusive of the broader community of which we are a part.

It is worth being honest about why you are posting a comment -- and being aware of the context in which you are posting it. Many students have business pages with a wide audience in the temporal world. When overly 'flowery' messages, with references to words that are not widely understood are publicly posted onto their wall this can have the effect of alienating 'mainstream' customers and may not actually be of benefit to them or their business.

This is not to say that one shouldn't express in all their glory -- but glory holds all equally and often a lot can be said in very simple language.
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In other words, we are cleary whacky and if it gets out in a public forum, normal thinking people will think we are weird. This tell us three very important things.
1. Esoteric students know that is it odd.
2. Students need to indulge in the deception of omission which is equal to lying ( under ACCC laws for example, omission of information is considered equal to deception) - It is a trait of someone in a cult not to use the language or symbology of that group as a way of disgusing their involvement and its true nature.
3. The group is trying to limit and control the public perception of it.

If this mind control group is to survive it needs to start building more walls around its doctrine and close down its presence in the public sphere. Of course, if it is not that, then it needs to contact the media and start doing press releases and hold public forums explaining how Serge has come from Shambhala to help mankind escape the fleshy shackles of this pathetic, sickly, illusion filled sad and pathetic life and elevate us into the fiery plan..urgently.


Hi ALL
It has come to my attention that you are quoting me out of context.

The message above was intended for my fellow students and friends in the Esoteric Community, so there is a lot of assumed knowledge in the text. Since you are also interested in its content I will fill you in on the broader meaning contained therein.

But first, allow me to introduce myself. My name is Rebecca and I set up the group for UniMed Students on Facebook. If you are a student of UniMed you are free to join. If not you will probably find the content a bit confusing. Clearly this is the case because there seems to be clarification required for you to understand my messages. So here goes, it was never intended for this forum but I will gladly expand on it for you:

One of the central tenants of the retreats and workshops is that our essence is love.
Agree with or not, that is one of the central tenants. It is not hidden or mysterious.
It is also not hidden or mysterious that human beings often re-interpret and re-appropriate anything they learn.

So when a student of UniMed or any other organization starts talking about love in a fashion that is very over the top and flowery rather than simply living it and being that love, then yeah, I am going to point out that they are perhaps not actually being loving. No students claim to be perfect (and if they do they are missing the point) and sometimes UniMed students come across a bit lovey dovey and over the top, most students are aware of that and we call it out when we see it. Cynically – you may see this as image control. Lovingly, I see it as telling someone they are not being themselves and they are mis-interpreting what it means to be loving.

Example: If you want to be loving with others and be inclusive and caring do you use language in a way that makes them feel as though they are not included?

Many students of Universal Medicine study the books and go to the courses. There naturally comes from any study certain words and elements that are particular to it. E.G If I go to a course on web design and I start talking about CSS and XHTML in my every day conversation with you, you are going to feel alienated by my language. And it is not necessary that I speak with you that way. I am not omitting or hiding anything, I am simply being considerate of the fact that you likely don’t know what I am referring to. And just because you want a website doesn’t mean you need to know all those terms. If you want to study web design the resources are freely available to you, just like if you want to study with Universal Medicine you are free to register. There is nothing closed-door about it. Anyone can look up the courses on the web and register and any one can read the website.

In future please do not take messages not intended for you and make your own re-interpretations.
It results in the highly charged false accusations posted above and it further confirms that you need to fabricate in order to serve your needs. Serge isn’t hiding and neither are we.



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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by: lifetruetome ()
Date: July 14, 2012 07:26AM

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rebecca08
So when a student of UniMed or any other organization starts talking about love in a fashion that is very over the top and flowery rather than simply living it and being that love, then yeah, I am going to point out that they are perhaps not actually being loving. No students claim to be perfect (and if they do they are missing the point) and sometimes UniMed students come across a bit lovey dovey and over the top, most students are aware of that and we call it out when we see it. Cynically – you may see this as image control. Lovingly, I see it as telling someone they are not being themselves and they are mis-interpreting what it means to be loving.

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Hi Rebecca thanks for your comments.

I am concerned about your meaning of the comment above, specifically "I am going to point out that they are perhaps not actually being loving". In the context above it seems to me that you or UM knows when someone is loving or not. Who are you or "UM" to judge someones way of being and if that way of being is "love" or not. I live in a family of 4 and we all express "love" differently. My expression of love is not better or worse then anyone elses. Who am I to judge anyway.

I am sorry Rebecca but its this "control" over students expression that I have a problem with. We are all unique and have personalities that make us unique, why does UM want everyone to "express love" in exactly the same way?

Many thanks Lifetruetome

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