Changed, Onion and kbyrne, Thank you for bringing up the names of people who were unceremoniously shown the door and disenfranchised for whatever reason or no reason at all. I remember being told to go to church to hear a super secret restricted tape one night. It was about Larry Makuakane. I don't know what to call "those" tapes. Demonizing and orders to shun tapes. There we
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Quotechangedagain Yes, Hargrave and company always manage to dump guilt on the victims--or at least try to. Placing a requirement of forgiving your enemies (highlighting certain verses in Matt. 18) is just the latest manipulative tactic. The burden, of course, is once again placed on the wounded, while the transgressors refuse to specifically acknowledge their wrongdoing, and the havoc it has wre
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QuoteOnion I was remembering a funny story today and thought I would share. I first heard the rumors about JRS' lascivious behavior and reputation for womanizing in the mid to late 60's. I had met JRS once or twice but had not yet considered being a Christian and going to the church. I was on a date with a guy I had known (and had a crush on) in High School. As we sat in his car in my d
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QuoteRe: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: changedagain () Date: February 10, 2019 09:34AM Interesting. My father-in-law ('Pops Jekel') was a helicopter pilot in Vietnam, and participated in the first major battle depicted in the movie 'We Were Soldiers.' In the late the 70's, according to my wife, he attended a living word 'ki
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Quote Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: NancyB () Date: February 01, 2019 12:06AM puddington Wrote: -------------------------------------------------------k > Mental health professionals will tell you there is > an inner self that is deep and private. A normal > person keeps this place secret and private. It is > very unhealthy to expos
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Isn't that sort of like the country song "I'm My Own Grandpa"? Just sayin'. ;)
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Quote Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: kbyrne () Date: January 29, 2019 09:25AM Reading some of the lastest posts, strangely, it reminds me of magic tricks. Coming into the walk in '73, a huge thing was to try to position yourself to get a "word," "personal ministry," from JRS. Personally, I could never get enough. And lik
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SunnyFord, Welcome to the RR Forum. Thank you for finding the 1958 First Principles and posting the terminology. It's very enlightening. Here are two of the most stressed doctrines in TLWF from the beginning, and the most damaging as well. SUBMISSION: Is the accepting the control or authority of another, being obedient and compliant to those over you in the Lord. Ephesian 5:21 to 6:9 a
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QuotekBOY wrote: "One thing we will all be taking away from our TLW involvement will be the wonderful relationships we would not have had otherwise . Amidst all the heartache, the silver lining of LOVE we have for each other will transform every tear into JOY." kBOY, no matter how much they told us to break bonds with everyone, the human heart will still love people. For all their ad
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QuoteRoad to Damascus Interesting bit of news. a piece MFC land is listed for sale. The congregants have not been told. I wonder where the money from it will go? Any guesses Thanks for the info, Road to Damascus. Any more details?
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Changed and kBoy, Re: Being the center of the universe. Think JRS was narcissistic much?
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Lexicon additions...not sure if anyone said these yet. If not here you go: Hit = Under Satanic attack or battle Joshua Generation or Josh Gen = Children's group for those under 12 Wilderness = A time of confusion or unbelief YASP = Young Adult Summer Program or Young Adult School of Prophets (for ages 12 to adult. (18?)
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QuoteCloudwatcher I really hate that from the time I was young, my actions and behavior were subject to JRS finding out if I did anything wrong. I hate that he did that cold reading shit and I hate that he gave us words over our lives. I hate that I listened to a damn thing he said and even took notes. We all thought he loved us but he knew how to make us feel loved and covered and hence--contr
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Walked and Onion, many are still reeling from the realization of time, money and lives wasted on The Walk/TLWF con. It is truly sickening. I also hope to salvage some good by networking with others who have awakened. PressingOn and kBoy, seeing the terms "aura" and "reading your spirit" together reminded me that of one of the big HOOKS for JRS was the personal ministry serv
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That's not a derogatory statement, A bit of > "soulishness" is not a bad thing, IMO. "Soulish", how the hell did we miss that term? Good one changed! How about "stonewalling": Shutting God/shepherds out of your decisions. In other words, what Gary and friends are doing
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Regarding SU, those who have already invested thousands of dollars attending, or more likely, studying online, may find that their credits are not transferrable. Beware when a group tries to monopolize every aspect of your life. It's so much harder to extricate yourself from all the snares and entanglements.
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A recent sermon by Bill Grier for your listening enjoyment...notice that the song at the beginning is a Walk chorus from the seventies.
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lone.wolf, Bill Grier was a pastor in The Walk during the late sixties and seventies. He was a high school teacher and pastor in Fallbrook, CA and later pastored in Claremont, N.H. He apparently joined another group called The Move, founded by Sam Fife, after leaving The Walk. He is currently a leader of Whitestone Farm in Delta Junction, AK, which is part of The Move group.
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Dear Pressing On, A belated welcome to the forum. Much love and healing to you.
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Vennie, wow! Welcome, and thank you for sharing. One of the Walk/TLWF doctrines and edicts prohibits members from communicating with people who have left the group. Therefore, members of TLWF would never even be aware that Bill Grier and other former members have joined another "church". It's amazing how many damaging and dangerous groups came out of the Pentecostal Latter Rain mov
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Quotefool me twice I also wish to report something I heard from a good source about the current leadership stating this last week. Some of the 'new leadership' is still publicly stating that everything you read online is poison. I guess it's just me however I think the first time I heard that must have been about 1965 from JRS. Of course nothing was online then but the story line
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Oh, dear...the flashbacks are intensifying. I need to read some of the Cult Education research to counterbalance. All I can remember from the Unfolding and the Unwrapping series of messages is that I believe they came in the islands and they was more conversational in nature between JRS, Marilyn and others who were surrounding him at the time. Very hard to follow, IMO.
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QuoteNavyVet79 Ok. 1.Coming at you: the spiritual leaning you're getting on a matter being considered 2.Going through it: struggling to come to grips with a testing in the spirit 3.Through dealing: died, ugh! 4.Nephi spirit: Crappy attitude 5.Corah spirit: Anytime you questioned anyone in "authority" 6.Holding it: Putting off answering ,spiritual sounding. Lotsa luck, ho
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Sorry, changedagain. We tried looking at the FP and had bad flashbacks too. Thanks for lightening the atmosphere.
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A couple more: Authority = Ministries claim to exercise the authority of Christ. Congregants must submit to their authority. "And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." Matthew 28:18 NASV Rebellious Spirit = describing the "spirit" of a congregant not submissive to the authorities. Closely linked to wit
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Wow, who knew we were taught to speak in such an odd language! The original First Principles (well, at least the first one with JRS' name as author) had a whole section on "Terminology". He already knew that he was creating a loaded language that no one else would understand. Going back to the term "Submission", I should add asking permission for the following concerni
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Quotecorboy Great idea to create a dictionary of "Walk Talk" identify ways that the same word is used one way by The Walk and other ways in the Christian world. Its a good idea to identify Scripture passages commonly used by The Walk and how TW interpretation of these passages differs from how these same passages are interpreted by communities untainted by The Walk and untainted by
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The latest incarnation of TLWF's Wikipedia page: The Living Word Fellowship is a group of nondenominational Christian churches located in the United States, Canada, Brazil, and Mexico,[1]which stem from the Pentecostal tradition. Some disagree that the fellowship is nondenominational, instead believing it to be a form of Protestant Christianity.[2] It has sometimes been described as a
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QuoteWalked Walked Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- "I feel like I’ve just been told there is no Santa Claus.... I always felt inferior to those who held named positions, and I was awestruck when seeing JRS in Anaheim and South Gate and the Valley church. I only regret that I had never seen him perform one of his laying on of hands “miracles” or to have see
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- A lot of people are trying to hold on to JRS and his teachings in the midst of this and that is heart breaking because he was a rabid perpetrator himself. He consciously and actively created deception to hide his wrongdoing. He gave innocent people (some ministries) words to do things that he needed done to protect his secre
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