changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Reep wrote: > And then that evening, in the church bar, Rick > said that they were considering selling the “sin > cards” to the highest bidder. > > I doubt this 'sin card' ever made it onto a cross, > but if it did, I wonder how much it would fetch: > > "This is prob
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Changedagain wrote on April 23, 2020 12:58AM "Aside from John's immense ego, does anyone know what caused the falling out between him and his bodyguard/van driver Larry M.? I recall being in an Anaheim service around 1980 or so when John was speaking from the pulpit, saying that were there were death threats going back and forth between him and Larry. Yet another memory of an 'ed
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th231955 I have not read psots for a few weeks. Your words have brought back so many memories. Did you have the joy to know Orpha? I miss her. We were close before John and Elizbeth joined the church.
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Brain science or rocket surgery is mind-boggling. I will assume everyone has heard of the National Prayer Breakfast.? some months back I was referred to a youtube video on this. In that video, it talked about King David fling as well. Is anyone else familiar with what I'm blabbering about? These men and women believed, according to the expose', that they were above the law as was
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Reep wrote: I have an idea...everyone who is still a "true believer", try an experiment. Publish something critical of TLWF or it's leaders. Will you get an anonymous letter? Online harassment? Will they try to divide you from your family? I would encourage that. Or even copy and paste a comment from the forum and ask Gary or Rick to give a reasonable answer. I think Hargraves
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This post by Reepicheep back in February of 2018. > Some things never change, like intimidating > ex-members of a cult in an attempt to silence > them. I suspect nearly every person posting in > this forum who spent time in TLWF has had an > experience of being pressured/intimidated by one >
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Just three days ago, a vocal ex-TLW member was > called out in public on Facebook by a TLW person > as being “bitter and self-righteous”. Can you > believe it? They’re still calling us names and > trying to silence us. It all looks so ridiculous > now. YIKES! Where is the love?
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > C H A N G E D > > "If they spent even a fraction of the effort . > . . into using the information to rectify the deep > problems in the organization, perhaps there would > be hope for change." > > As we all know by now, there was never any > motivation to rectify problems, only b
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th231955 Wrote: Date: April 05, 2020 12:02PM ------------------------------------------------------- > When Enos Bender told me he was donating the farm > to the cause, I was dismayed! But as I grew in the > knowledge of God's Word, I realized that Enos had > done a wondrous thing, and He gave as to giving > unto the Lord! The higher-ups in TLW are gonna pay > a st
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TheJewel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > kBOY Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Interesting trends that will only continue > with > > Covid-19: > > > > "Only 6 percent of Americans possess a > biblical > > worldview, according to a new survey." > > > > &
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th231955 Wrote: March 28, 2020 ------------------------------------------------------- > Wow the things I'm learning! I was definitely > very Blessed that God shielded me from this crap! > One thing is very true, and everyone that has > found the truth has this assurance from God....He > who the Son sets free is free indeed! I'm not > talking about some evil-m
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th231955 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > HA! I just talked to Simon Nisly a few days ago! I > don't know if he's actually running the sawmill > anymore, it sounds like they aren't making pallets > anymore, just offering logging and tree service! > Anyway, I almost bet I could get you one of those > hats! Simon and I gradua
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > changedagain Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > I'm not sure about bobbing, weaving and falling > > over...since I wasn't there to witness it...but > I > > did hear John conducted a few one-on-one > > 'bless-ins' during the 70&#
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TH, yes. I remember the Bless Ins of the late > sixties and early seventies. JRS claimed that > spiritual energy flowed from the palm of one > person's hand and could be "drawn" by the back of > another person's hand. He also said that spiritual > energy flowed from left to rig
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th231955 () Date: March 27, 2020 01:28AM Yes, No Non-cents Nanna is extremely legit. About as honest as you can get.
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CARe March 25, 2020 03:31AM "Wood". I'm laughing at the pun or Freudian slip. Perhaps I should not lol. "WJ" and a young woman? How do I word this? In my mind WJ, Dad Stevens could do no wrong. He was a rock for me. My pastor whom I trusted as a young girl. But... I have pondered why JRS became the narcissistic womanizer that he was. ??? ( My observation for
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th231955 March 25, 2020 12:52AM Yes, that was an interesting time in Washington. I was in college at that after being ordered to dump the love of my life, then to marry someone else in the Wash church. ( I was 19 to 22) I was only at service Sat Pm ( That my date with my future husband- oh so spiritual.) and I played piano on Sunday AM. Being at the piano gave me a very weird perspective.
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th231955 I read you are looking for some of the guys you knew. None of us are spring chickens anymore. I am sorry to inform you that Bowman has passed away according to sources. Last time I saw him he had two children. As afar as Monte- of gosh, I had not heard his name in decades. I have no idea. We all use 'handles" on the forum here. of his whereabouts. Most of us are scatter
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Happy to have you aboard th231955 I want to comment on your statement, ..."Godly man! I wonder how he could have gotten so evil! " It sure seemed that way, but, IMO it was only an illusion. Many more than I saw indiscretions here and there and questioned the 'human flaws" under our breaths, in our heads or even voiced the irregularities out loud and paid dearly for
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the podcast was incredibly well done. It had to have taken a lot of work to organize the timeline and give credits. Caleb was so on target. My son listened to it with interest. For those of us who lived it so much of it, it was very clear. For my son, I had to fill in the details - which is as it should be- not too revealing.
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Welcome to the forum th231955
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changed, will there be public restrooms and sunblock?
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This post by 'Invisible' from May of 2017. It > references John's vision for Shiloh: > > Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John > Robert Stevens > Posted by: Invisible > Date: May 05, 2017 06:04PM > > filthy apron, > > You wrote a concern for the agi
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Thanks, Reep for posting "To Be a Christian" with permission. UGH! I've been aware of that one for some time. but, still, the gut-wrenching is far worse than leaning there is no Santa Claus. I also skimmed through The Feast of Tabernacles and a few more- without using a plagiarism checker the verbiage and rhythm is what I recall as the same as having read JRS alleged work. ( My
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Wow. We have some very potent reading here. thanks, everyone for contributing. I believe it is important to put into to perspective the sad reality that if anyone had complained back in the '60s even, our cries would have been ignored on the social level. society failed to protect. The law failed to protect. But, Christian ethics were always there. Our 'church' should have Bibli
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Hey, all you rabble-rouser who left the insanity. I see I did not word that quite right. I get stressed when telling this sh*t and type worse... I have to fix my words in my above post. I was sleep-deprived for months before I got sent to Shiloh. I was exhausted. How much wisdom is there to have a father-in-law push my husband and I to go to Shiloh when I needed to be home sleeping and my
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Reepicheep, Looking back, yes, I think it was illegal. Here is an example: my adult son is his own power of attorney as he is mentally competent tho' physically disabled. He got sick. I called the on-call medical provider and was told to take him by ambulance to the ER on Friday. On Friday my son refused to go. That was his right to refuse tho I did not agree. On Saturday his temp was h
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February 11, 2020 09:37AM Kboy With no calendar and no sleep, I had no idea of the dates for a while. One of my kids turned 4 in late '77 so I think it was after March '78 some time. JRs assigned me to popcorn duty which everyone loved. But, JRS got po'd when the popcorn machine was empty when he wanted some. I am so grateful that someone is listening, finally. I have bee
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Oops! Autocorrect and my famous typo's and phone call interruptions. Washingon County Public Health instead of "pubic". Sorry folks.
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Changedagain, OMG! these horrific stories are building. Glad you are OK. I don't know if I ever answered if I was ever detained or not. I felt like I was. in the late '70s, I worked my nurse jobs while my husband worked kingdom biz, basically cause no one else would hire him-, sorry to say. I worked 2 jobs. One main one was graveyard shift- 11 days on 1 day off work one then 2 d
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