Moral nihilism? I like that term. Mennodoc used it. I looked it up. Yeh, a community of moral nihilists.
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Xmember wrote: For the record, from my personal experience, Jack Hickman was, in my opinion, a homosexual child molester, who at one time even tried to act inappropriately with me. Dear Xmember, Well said. He was repulsive. BTW for anyone who doesn't know; "Abba''
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Dear Incarnate Soul, One more reason I thought you were Charlie is that, Charlie had talked about starting his own cult out in the midwest. He actually called it a cult....an Indian cult he wanted to start. He said that people ''needed'' spirituality and so it was perfectly fair to feed them what they needed and request money in return. I remember he was big into pot and
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Damaged 13, What incident are you asking about? Is it about members being kicked or hit? I only heard personally of one member that that happened to. Oh but, you know, if you want to know about sexually perverted acts...I could ramble on a bit. They are all disgusting perverts.
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Dear Incarnate Soul, OK...it cannot be Charlie. I just did the math. If you joined in 72 then you would be older than this Charlie I am remembering.
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Dear Incarnate Soul, Charlie? It's you right? I recognize the poetry.
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The most/least judments of the class had no ''apparant'' or ''initial'' reference to Jack Hickman. Not at all. It was ''self''. The teaching was that man, humans, people, ''us'', cult members were to judge. Don't you get it? Hickman was teaching the youth to behave in a self righteous way. OK...I'm a cult
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I remember all those activities. Rating one another. We learned to replace God's judments with ''self'' judging. Even in a court of law man does not rate one anothers ''heart''. People may rate eachother in areas such as speed. agility, height, beauty.... but Hickman had us rate eachother's hearts. Who is ''most loving''....?
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Also..the sociopath is an actor/actress. They do more than speak lies. It is facial expressions. Gestures. Their every move is part of an act. The script? They write it themselves. The audience? You or me. Anyone who they want to ''charm''. These people have charisma. Of course it is hard to sustain the ''act''. This is why a sociopath does not want to spen
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HI Mennodoc, I do have very limited understanding of psychiatry from college...I am especially interested in the individual with an antisocial personality disorder aka the sociophath. I sort of believe there is a difference between a psychopath and a sociopath. My take on it...if you are interested...... A sociopath has an infantile self-centeredness. Your theory that one sort of...becomes a
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HI Janet, I appreciate the study of the OT and the Jewish routes of Jesus. Jesus was Jewish. The OT is part of the Bible. That being said.... Jesus was not an elitest. Jesus was not exclusive. Hickman preached that. Hickman lied. The truth is that the OT promised a Messiah would come. The promise is/was that the annointed one would come through the line of David and offer reconciliation to
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HI Janet, I am glad for you that you got out early. I think that is something to be proud of. I talk all the time to people about the fact that I had dealings with a cult when I was very young. If you left then, I believe you have good reason to be relieved. I imagine the deep friendships you developed were with others who also got out. I say this because I know the people who have remained a
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M. He ennodoc, About Holy Blood Holy Grail. That was a big deal. That is the book that had everyone believing that Jack Hickman was a descendant of Christ. Sick. I believe many cult leaders today will use ''The Davinci Code'' knock off. How about ''Night'' by Elie Wiesel. Community loved it and actually, so did I. Of course Hickman used the book to
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I also have something to say to ''everyone'' who wants to ''remember the good times'' as they pertain to this cult. I would like to say..this was a cult...led by a pervert. If you are reminiscing about the good times then go belt down some suds with OJ while he fondly discusses the ''good times'' he had with Nicole. There were no good ti
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HI Janet 24, It's like the ''big brother'' thing right? No one wants to believe that the world is watching. The web is sort of like ''big brother'' out of control. I understand where you are coming from and I also understand your concerns. I also have my own legitimate concern about the fact that this group is still active and ''cloaked&
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Ksmith, Did you get me post? Larry Olsen is about 56 right? I know him. He has one brother and ...I think...three sisters, all younger. I remember them. Isn't one of the Olsen sisters married to a Newman? And Tarrentino....I'm not sure, I think another sister maybe...maybe she married a Tarrentino. I remember them. You know them?
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Slate asked about the Gattis. Yes. I know all about them. Very well. Are you still reading the posts. I know vaguely what happened to Lisa and Lynn and Michael.
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RichardmGreen, I have been reading your posts. I know which Dix Hills house you used to live in. About a mile from the Uttings right? Would love to correspond more with you.
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My mother had me and involved in that group. From the time I was 7 to the time I was 17. They are still active. I know a lot about the Maine group. Anyone remember the Hicks family?
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omg. How awful. You have actually met goofs who go around saying ''kill all the black people''?
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Yasmin, Interesting. I never considered the fact that Koresh committed suicide and...yeh...I think by true definition a sociopath would not. I'm not sure though. Maybe I need to read up on it some more. As for narcissism though I think that every cult leader is a narcissist. They all seem empathetic at times I think but it's an act. It was my understanding that narcissists are ex
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What is CBT? I also tried therapy years ago. In many ways it was a help but I know what you mean, as far as cult brainwashing my therapist did not understand. I took a lot of psychology courses in college and read some psychology books which I thought were a huge help. For a while I even read about serial killers and for some reason it helped me at the time. Looking back I think it is because t
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Tsukimoto and Pegasus thank you both because your posts are making me realize how, 25 years later, I am still being affected by cult brainwashing. I was just recently in a situation where my ''overly polite'' tendencies left me as a victim to a very slanderous and mean spirited woman. I now realize that while many people had the good sense to keep a distance from this woman,
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Hi Pegasus, Just want to let you know that the ''turning inward'' I referred to was the ''Course in Miracles'' type. I think that you are introspective but it seems to be a very good thing in your case. I always thought self analysis and introspection was a step towards self improvement and growth. The self centered response of the women who would not h
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Jupitor, Loneliness is a common feeling during the holidays and sooooo many people don't have friendships and family from childhood. I don't. And it is not your fault that you were targeted(recruited) and your sibling wasn't. That happens in families. These cult predators are like wolves. They arbitrarily target a person...who knows why. It's not your fault. Imagine if y
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''Healing the Shame that Bind you'' by Bradshaw. Very light and easy reading. It gets into the role we might have played in our family and how that shaped us for society. It helped me see how the brainwashing that my own mother did to me weakened my defenses and made me more susceptible to cult leaders. The Bible. My cult leaders used bible quotes in a ridiculous and absolute
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tsukimoto, They wouldn't even take you to get medical attention? They would have just left you for dead because it wasn't convenient? You know that is not surprising but still...it makes me so angry to hear that. Members of my own family who are still involved in cultish activities have behaved similarly towards me and my husband and children. And to add to the insult...they say I a
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Sparky, That is really funny. You are right. If we all heard one man speaking in three different languages that would be impressive. The rest is silly and embarassing jibberish. Those TBN telethon freuds also get me tweaked. I have even called the station...no lie...to tell them what freuds they are and I have use Bible quotes to do it. But I have to tell you something honestly...I'm on
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In our old neighborhood it seemed like tongue speaking churches were everywhere. I visited a few mega churches. Very large. People passing out and making strange gurgling noises. Babies always cried. Every time. You would hear this bizzarre babble and a kid would cry...it just seemed bizarre. Tongue means language. Period. It means language. The Bible which tongue speakers like to quote is very
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Pegasus, I think Keir is right on about finding ex members of your cult or a group was like yours. That ''fear of being normal'' doesn't sound crazy at all. I had that exact fear. I can so totally relate to what you are saying. Cult leaders ingrain in our minds the idea that the ''masses'' are bad. Political
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