Sparky, Thank goodness I'm not the only one who read that post with apprehension. I thought the exact same thing. I wondered if it is legitimate or if it is a cult-front looking to exploit ex-members.
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Oh Pequa, Sorry. I just re read your post. Worried about posting? OK. Yeh, watch out for the people who pm you. Beyond everythingnow was not the only person to try and contact me off the boards to find out who I know. Just listen to the board monitor. He's right. Don't give anyone your private info unless you are willing to let the group know who you are. Some people, like me, don
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Pequa, For one Gary Coons. I'll just say that I feel positive that any person who is 50 or older and who has been involved for 30 years or more and who was close to Jacko , would concern me. Here is why. The 50+ crowd who were involved in the late 70s and early 80s and who stayed in the group were members who accepted things which...well....read my post about Gary and the 15 year
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Fallen, I sincerely pray that you are right. You describe feelings that I also had decades ago when I left. The hopelessness. I understand of course that people in the group, even the older ones, have lost faith but....I believe that they have lost faith in the man Jack Hickman. I fear, I mean I really really am fearful and seriously concerned about the new leadership. I believe that the fai
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I can't rest. Beyondeverythingnow may have been tossed off but other members read these posts and pm the posters. My box if full so I can only be reached on the board. Ok... Gary was about 20yrs old or so and he befriends this 15 year old boy...a group member. So this young boy is elated. The 15 year old becomes so full of pride...strutting around...filled with words of grandeur and ta
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One last thing. Beyondeverythingnow. He left me his number over a year ago and I called him. He's not trying to rejoin the group. Beyondeverythingnow is a member. He wants the names of people who oppose this group. They are paranoid. They know that some members have friends or family that secretly oppose them. They want names. These are bad people. Very very bad people.
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My Good Name You know Gary now? You think possibly he believes his own teachings? Please please please believe what I am posting. Gary Coons believes and teaches and preaches that ''truth is relative'' and/or any other mantra or slogan which conveys that message. That is his ONLY TRUE belief. Do you get it? He ''believes'' in lying and deceivin
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Jack HIckman and the entire inner circle he surrounded himself with brazenly stated to each other that they considered themselves ''seperate''....that meant ''seperate from the laws of this country''....they know it....knew it.... and if you want the statement qualified then we run into a problem which I have run into before.... I cannot post names of vi
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Gary Coons does not believe what he teaches. Gary knows he is scamming. Gary is profiting financially through the group and he enjoys the power. There are violent acts commited in this group but they are acts committed against young children and it is the psyche and sexual boundaries that are violated. Violence against the psyche and sexual boundaries of a child are hard to detect and even hard
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Quote: Dean If that is how it came off I would say that my words were misleading. Thoughts that cause suffering sometimes lead to something good...sometimes they do not. Thoughts that cause suffering often lead to wisdom, insight, perspective, and compassion for other people. On the other hand...sometimes people commit horrible acts and do not suffer in the least. I would never mean to say that
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Tsukimoto mentioned that chanting before an interview really did help...etc. Yes, I know exactly what you mean. I was told once to keep chanting ''they need me...I don't need them'' when I took a job as a bar maid and...I was completely in the dark...unqualified... very young....terrified and had already broken a bunch of glasses. All through the night I kept repeating
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OK one more thing. You mention ''your problem''. I don't know if you were talking to Pegasus or Tsukimoto or another board poster but I have my own thoughts on that. No one has a problem. Tsukimoto doesn't have a problem and neither does Pegasus. They, as well as myself and other posters have ''identified'' a problem. The ''problem'
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Dean, One more question. To judge would be to discern and separate....correct? Humans being the complicated creatures that we are.....we tend to create many categories and names for our deductions. Can I assume that you do not categorize the results of your ''discernments'' into groups of good or bad but that, you instead label thoughts as ''ones which cause suff
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THE_DEAN_001 Your problem isn't really that you don't meditate enough or that you waste a lot of time. Your problem seems to be that you obsess about whether these things are "good" or "bad" or "right" or "wrong". Let go of all these thoughts and self-judgments and maybe you will begin to understand that these thoughts are the cause of your su
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Pegasus wrote :Whilst I do appreciate advice, the thing that probably helps the most, is hearing of others experiences that are similar to mine and the crazy things they believed and fears they had. HI Pegasus. I could tell you lots of crazy things I believed. For starters our group had laws about kosher food and cleanliness. They actually used the Bible to push these rules. I later read the B
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I just re-read the account of the botched animal sacrifice in the 1982 Newsday article. OMG....they said the one animal spent a good half hour gasping for air and slowly dying.... Who could do that??? What kind of inhumane being could do such a thing......
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Damaged please forgive my disbelief but something just does not ring true. If you left 11 years ago then how have you remained close to your still active family members and how would you be so certain of what does or doesn't happen? Your story makes Shoresh Yashi sound like a slightly off beat but benign club with open membership policies. We do not see eye to eye on that.
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Incarnate, I think I sent a pm. Let me know if you don't get it and I'll send it again.
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Slate, good to hear from you also. Hope your holidays are the best. Yasmin...you are correct and I am absolutely NOT planning to give the names of victims. Present day cult members rely on the fact that ex-members would hesitate to give out the names of ex friends and loved ones that they suspect or know were victimizes. This is why they are fond of challenging ex members with ''wha
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Oh and damaged...I believe you. I believe that no sex perversion happened in your family. So what? My claim is about the inner circle and members who continue in this group.... There was no perversion in my family either. So what? It still happened to others. I imagine it still is happening. You believe differently??? Oh.
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And a special note to you Hickmanites who try to pm me wanting to know ''who'' I know....I'll answer you all. But I'll do it on the board. I'll name every pervert act I suspected...in public. Enough with the 'shhhh...be quiet....you can't prove anything garbage..."
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Once again to clarify...this loon attracted over 1,000 followers during his hey day....many if not most dabbled...they were transient..... Hickman was aloof to most...... But... He had his ''close'' followers and they are still active. I refuse to ever allow any present day member of this group to behave or speak as though they were innocent victims of abuse without givin
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Your assertion about the cult is consistent. You believe that HIckman was a sole pervert and that all 1,000 plus followers were victims of a lone...single pervert. I have a different belief. I believe that he surrounded himself with like minded perverts and called them his ''inner circle''. I have no sympathy for the ''inner circle'' and the church elders
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I'll continue. It might have been best to leave this can of worms shut but...I'll continue.... Do you think sex with someone who isn't an actual blood relative is OK???? Like....if that person is told you're a sibling...but your not really blood related...do you think Damage13 that...sex would be OK????? I'll assume you're intelligent enough to know where I'm
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Did a Korean child ever run away from the Vandersomethings or the Hicks family or the Hove family. That Newsday article has quotes from Hicks and Hove....both of them had Korean children who ran off constently and/or permanently. Why? Because they were treated so well. Shall I go on? I can continue to name names.......
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Damaged, How group members define abuse and how I define abuse are different. Example...I believe it is abuse to shoot your sperm at a 16 year old boy after you convinced him you are Christ incarnte...group members disagree... Koreans were not, as a rule, treated well by the Hickmanites...and....let's start with the fact that they were taken from a Christian orphanage where their car
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And another thing. As for raising our own children to feel special or superior so that they will avoid cults...good luck. If I am special and better than most of humanity...according to my upbringing...I will need to feed those feelings and thoughts. I will need someone other than mom and dad to affirm my superiority. That is just what Jack did. Feelings of being ''special and superior&
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I have one more thing to say about parents who ''allowed'' Hickman, an abuser, to have authority in their life. These adults and leaders in that church were co=abusers. This does not mean they abused EVERY child. Many had large families with many children and...one or two of those children were singled out for abuse. In the homes where Koreans were adopted..it was usually the
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Hickman may have appealed to inner feelings of inferiority in some but I saw the opposit. I can tell you for a fact that grown women who had always been told as children that they were ''better than'' their siblings were drawn to Hickman because he ....continued...to feed them the garbage they'd been fed as children. I listened as a child to Hickman's female follower
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Incarnate Soul, Hi. Perhaps some of the bitterness is because the group is still active. The active nature of Phil & Rich would mean that they are still luring people in and .... you know.....people with children. That makes me feel bitter.
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