QuoteI was still involved when I came across the information on Rick Ross and it was that which had me quit. LEC_escapee, Thanks for your reply to my question. I ask because my attempts in trying to reason with a landmarkian friend have been as fruitful as trying to bail out the ocean with a teaspoon. NOTHING sane and logical gets through. In fact she was getting coaching from other landmar
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QuoteI did this and Landmark's response was to throw more jargon at me saying that by refusing to "take a stand" for another's "transformation" I was "telling a story" to myself that I could not "make a difference" in the life of another. It was as if I was denying my friends and family the greatest thing that could ever happen to them ("tran
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Quote It doesn't make up for my family talking about my cult involvement behind my back (which I found out later) LEC_escapee, Would you have listened to them if they told you to right up front that you were involved in a cult? Did they ever have a chance to speak to you face to face about it?
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QuoteI am not assessing whether Landmark is a LGAT or not. If it walks on four legs like a dog, barks like a dog and drools at dinner time like a dog ... well, it must be a dog. Note: I mean no offence to dogs. Simply, Landmark is a LGAT. I have no confusion about that. I have to agree, its like oil and water in a way. You know what part is oil, you know what part is water, and you know the two
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Excellent summary of what I've come to believe wholeheartedly, is landmark. It seems that a committment to LE inherently leads to a level of mastery in deception that is malicious and full of intent to do harm to others, and it doesn't matter how well dressed up, disguised, and justified that intention is, it is still a cruel intention. Really, its no different than what an addict bec
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the being 'unreasonable' must get introduced only after the leaders are totally confident that the follower is 100% in the bag.
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QuoteIn Landmarkian, "unreasonable" basically means, ignoring your own personal warning signs or conflicts that crop up within your life - in order to do things one would normally consider "unreasonable" - such as inviting more friends/family to Landmark - and attending their courses on dates that may conflict with business/family plans... but how does landmark justify or ex
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QuoteIt is used often in conjuction with "I want you to be unreasonable with yourself" which means "I want you to do something and not give me any excuses why you can't" This brings a burning question to mind: How does landmark propose or suggest a person deal with the issues of immediate life concerns vs spending 100% of time doing landmark activities? What does lan
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QuoteNo one in the middle of the seduction experiences it as abuse. They think that cute young chickee in the power suit really imagines they're the cat's meow. They think she's hot for them and not for what's in their wallet. They think she's really interested in them as a person and not as an ~enrollment~ stat. The con wuldn't work if people felt "abused."
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QuoteYou know, this clear felling practice causes a lot of damage for little gain. I suppose, at the end of the day, it's about money in both cases. Pure and simple. Agree totally, it's all about money and how to keep it coming once the floodgates are opened. It seems that the clear felling practices should remedy the problem of being unable "to see the forest, for the trees"
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Quoteit all starts after the first course when landmark wants to get something from you. Evidently there has been some good things happening during the forum as participants get results. There is an amazing power contained in the ability to communicate openly and honestly. It is so powerful that, if practiced in every area of life, we would not hear so much about wars or murder-suicide. LE uses
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QuoteAs this thread implies that Landmark has some (if not, many) redeeming qualities, would someone please list what they consider Landmark's positive contribution to education and/or life management? "A good tree bears good fruit, a bad tree bears bad fruit"...What are LE's roots made of? If LE bears good fruit, why is its fruit so poisonous?
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QuoteI never heard Landmark teaching anything regarding handling stress. I guess that's just a bonus. Yeh, a bonus derived from surviving the nature of the program. In order to survive the extreme burden placed on you by landmark, at every aspect of your life; the emotional, physical, psychological, spiritual, social, and financial, you obviously managed to cope without experiencing a debi
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QuoteI haven't yet worked out how to protect myself from the mind control. I wonder if tin foil wrapped tightly around my head would work? LOL!! Don't forget the earplugs, caffeine tablets and oxygen bottle! You'd make a believer in something out of the forum leader! I can't get that picture out of my mind! :lol:
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QuoteIts pretty much anything that is in direct competition with Landmark. The loose way they worded it could technically mean that any training/teaching is out but I doubt they would sue if I ever went back to teaching which is what I did before going to landmark. Wow! So a person is basically owned by LE even if they leave? That is preposterous! Who do they think they are, government?! Even
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QuoteIt was also during this time we started getting some of the legal agreements about what we could and couldn't disclose and what we could and couldn't do as careers if we left landmark education sonnie_dee, what careers were you NOT permitted to do if you left landmark? Were there any specific careers that seemed favorable to landmark for a person to pursue? If these question
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QuoteI also received a letter from Landmark reminding me of my legal agreements and with a nice little masked threat last year. one thing is certain, you will be bound by these agreements forever, because landmark will never practice what it preaches to its followers or its paid and unpaid staff. The great side to this is that you're free! If you had to trade silence for freedom, it�
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QuoteI happen to believe there is a source for answers to life's many problems. It's called the Word of God or Bible. And the interesting thing is exposure to God's Word produces an attitude of humility and contentment, not arrogance. felixcatski: I agree with what you've mentioned here. It hits the nail right on the head, as far seeking answers goes. If you're
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I think I'm going to have to find that book and read it. Sounds like something I should have read years ago. I was asking about the "cutting edge" technologies because I have questioned my landmarkian friend about why she thinks there is so much 'controversy' surrounding landmark and what they teach, her explanation was that it was largely due the unique "cutting
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It seems as though the jargon utilized by landmark was very strategically selected from real world jargon to confuse the participants into thinking that the jargon is legitimately used, even in the landmarkian context.
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Maggie, Does this book include descriptions of the "cutting edge" technologies claimed by landmark?
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I have a friend that tells me the same thing about being wrong about what landmark teaches and why it teaches what it does, whether it be about the jargon, the philosophies, and even its motivation for existence. To be honest, I draw alot of my conclusions from direct observation of a devoted follower of LE. I've learned I can't trust the reasons or explanations presented by a devotee f
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I see your points and agree that when speaking to a landmark follower, they will only counter argue with the 'knowledge' provided them by LE programs. The idea is not to win an argument against LE 'reasoning' however, it is to point out how and why LE is so flawed and destructive in practice. And to bring to the forefront, awareness of how the many seemingly profound ideologie
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QuoteThe poison of Landmark is not just in getting completely sucked into their way of thinking. It’s also poisonous because some of the things are helpful, insightful. But what is right and wrong? To which extend does the cult-thing go? Compared to sekts where people are held against their will, Landmark is nothing. But is it maybe even more cruel because they possess your mind instead of your b
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My conclusion about the landmark language is simply this: werner was so far removed, socially and morally, from the true definition and meaning contained in terms or expressions like 'authentic', 'making a stand', 'integrity' etc...that he had to invent definitions that were much less real and convicting for him. So, 'making a stand' becomes something quite
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Hi again Europe-girl, Sorry if I was overly quick to question you. To be honest, I did not reckon much beyond the term 'stories' in your opening comment. QuoteI'll keep browsing this forum for more stories - it's good! As you know, the term "stories" is used by practicing landmarkians to shut down or devalue any significant personal meaning to experiences disclo
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QuoteHi, just discovered this site. I recognise the Landmark/Est-talk immediately and it's so funny to hear this from someone else, with the humoristic undertone... I'll keep browsing this forum for more stories - it's good! Let me think if there's more stuff that hasn't been quoted here... Hi Europe-girl, Just a question: Are you a 'committed' follower o
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spent several hours watching the "Century of the Self" videos today. Now I'm wondering if it isn't just absolutley futile and foolish to seek out government agencies to hold landmark to account for its practices, techniques, and profiteering. Are landmark and public governing bodies, too similar in methodology and intent, for one to try to hold the other accountable? I find
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QuoteEducation is a much better way to go IMO. Legislation for any portion of this nonsense will create a sense that SOME of it is legit. This is not desirable in any sense. excellent point! Which means the best approach in dealing with the unlicensed practice of psychotherapy, unqualified educational training and sketchy labor conduct, is to make it illegal, period. Criminal charges would
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QuoteI think it would be great if there was regulation but in reality I can't ever see groups like Landmark ever agreeing to this. Really for regulation to ever work, goverments would have to do the regulating and make the applicable laws and consequences of companies breaking them. Agree with you totally but I can't imagine landmark ever subjecting itself to the possibility of acco
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