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5 years ago
eileenhat
Re" For what I'm hoping for is one of them to please give me an advice on what religion/movement was one of the origins of the idea of lowering the ego." (darlof) I don't know who came up with the idea that your feelings are an issue (no one is quite clear about the elements of an Ego....and yes, I've studied the Eckhart book, power of now), and that they can be resolv
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
corboy
Dear Darlof: One way to assess a teacher's character is to observe how he or she deals with source material. If someone claims to be sole custodian of something for which no one can be sole custodian -- hmmm. One item to be aware of is that some are out there who claim that a "serious seeker" gives up all claim to basic human rights. That one isnt a serious seeker unless
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
darlof
Corboy, thank you for your kindness and all your advice. I will definitely use my gut feeling and my sound judgement when I face religious movements that are new to me. About the religious groups and meetings, I think they're a bad idea in general. At least for me I'm certain that the spiritual realisation is too personal and unique to be the same for even two people. I prefer to be
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
corboy
Dear darlof, I am no authority on anything. I can offer advice I wish I'd heeded earlier on: * Do what you can to run background checks on anyone you consider getting involved with. If the teacher has published books, look at *all* of the books. Bookfinder dot Com is a potential research tool. You can see if you can get the books for free by inter library loan. Why do this?
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
darlof
Yes, corboy you're right. I need help from someone to show me a road for me to take on, which can lead me where I want to go with my spiritual exploration. From what I learnt in the last month, reading Cult Education Institute forum is that you guys deserve great admiration for helping people get out of those harmful groups and movements, showing them a clearer and more sober view on what
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
corboy
Dear darlof, it sounds as though you are looking for material to guide you in your spiritual explorations. Cult Education Institute is a resource for assisting people to understand what distinguishes harmful teachers and groups from those less likely to be or become harmful. As an evidence based social science and education resource, CEI cannot offer advice on "diminishing of th
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
darlof
Hi all :) TLDR: What more to read about ego diminishing? I found this forum after googling for opinions on Eckhart Tolle. I'm really glad of learning different views from this topic: forum.culteducation.com/read.php?6,54633,page=1 After finishing that topic, I read this one as well: forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,7166,page=1 And I still haven't found an answer to what I
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 years ago
SeePony
Dialogue works equally well, if not better for manipulation, but the technique employed is certainly different. And of course, the feedback is an essential manipulation tool.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
ultraspring
Good analogy, Corboy, the daisy. She certainly does cast herself in the best possible light. But all of "the work" is still based on your being honest with yourself--continually (not easy). Figuring out what the truth of your situation is, wanting to make the right decisions,knowing what those are. There are so many personal variables. So it seems like she's made a win-win s
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
YeleneJbean
Yeah. Sounds pretty hypocritical to me if they are charging that much money but you do have a point that if someone could do that they would want to share it. It's just all the evidence I've seen is against it working.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
ultraspring
YeleneJBean "If you could really do that with your mind why write all the books and do all the business deals. Why not just sit at home and manifest what you want :)" I guess under the guise of helping others. But if they can't actually do it themselves, it is hypocritical. To give them the benefit of the doubt, perhaps they do want to help people, but then it turns into a hug
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
YeleneJbean
ultraspring Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I also don't subscribe to the idea that just > because you think something, it makes it true. Or > that not thinking it makes your suffering go away. > That just sounds to me like more positive thinking > hype veiled under another cloak. I agree. I've tried that stuff for the last couple
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
Michael's Osho Secret
Replying to Dumbstruck, After years of studying with Michael and RW, I can say that my caring and interaction with others outside of the group was affected in a positive way. In RW a lot of time is spent working on listening, engaging, growing empathy, seeing things from a larger scope. It is also a secretive cult that will not allow you to participate without attending ritualistic retreats th
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
6 years ago
rrmoderator
b.f.m.: Speaking as someone who has appeared on Oprah twice, back in early days 1989 and 1992, before she got into all the mumbo jumbo and self-help gurus, the fact that Katie appeared on the show means nothing. Oprah has featured and promoted Dr. Oz, who appeared before congress and was berated for his quackery and false health claims. Also, Oprah featured James Arthur Ray on her "
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
ultraspring
I also don't subscribe to the idea that just because you think something, it makes it true. Or that not thinking it makes your suffering go away. That just sounds to me like more positive thinking hype veiled under another cloak.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
b.f.m.
Byron Katie has been on Oprah - and seems to be even partnered with her, that must say something about her caliber. Correct if I am wrong....but I think that Oprah is fairly selective about who she teams up with. She probably has an entire research department that vets people.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
ultraspring
I've just been newly introduced to Byron Katie by a friend. Her idea seems good about not believing everything your mind brings up (we all know how our minds can change) but I'm not sure what else she teaches and don't want to get sucked in if it's just a huge money-making operation. Also, I don't really know what's behind her philosophy. Reading these posts is h
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
corboy
It appears that BK is the one who puts lots of obsessive planning into her methods. This first thread contains some material with one persons description of working for BK in the early days. More material here. And in its heyday, this thread attracted a lot of disruptors. and here.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
richjewett
My sense is that both of these people started with something legitimate, but have gotten swept up in the money game. When it comes to accusations of being cults, there's always a question as to how much of it is coming from the leader, how much from the organizers of their groups, and how much from obsessive followers. Katie and Tolle have both attracted people with obsessive qualities (they
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
janaki
Giving away a scholarship in public is one of BK's favorite tricks. It costs her nothing, and you still have to pay for the accommodation in a luxureous hotel. The next step is the Turnaround house ($ 20.000) for one month and then the certification program, which costs at least $ 40.000, if you add up all the mandatory programs you need to attend. So the work is free? I hardly think so.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
corboy
Friends, a well run Alanon, AA, Overeater's Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous etc meeting must never be a place where one is pressured by any one member or by the entire group to get involved with a guru, or political movement or and LGAT. Among the Three Obstacles to Success in Alanon, there is this: Quote1. Discussions of Religion: Al?Anon is not allied with any sect or denomination.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 years ago
corboy
QuoteThis organization advertises itself as a 12-step recovery program to the public, but in reality, it is a 'deliverance ministry' based on Peter Wagners NAR agenda. Dear AtLast: You are so lucky you're out. One thing that you will be told in legitimate 12 Step groups, whether Alanon, Coda, AA, etc is, to go to as many different meetings as you can. That way, you ca
Forum: Destructive Churches
6 years ago
corboy
Friends, notice how complex the sentences are. THis entire document is so lengthy that it could not be fitted into a single post. Notice your state of mind as you read through this. If by any chance, you feel rather dizzy while reading this in the privacy of your own home, imagine the impact if you are seated in a room full of people listening to this same thing. (
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
7 years ago
corboy
A discussion of a related phenom: Eat Pr*Y Love Never take a story for granted. When your idealism, hope, attention and money are being pulled at--- ask if the story is actually serving a concealed business model. It is control of the business model and the room set up and the control of the script that empower you. A mere 'story' will not by itself empower you if it
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
7 years ago
corboy
For persons new to this message thread, here is a list of important posts Wedding rings. This will not happen at a one day event. But if you are beguiled to go to longer events, this is discussed on earlier posts made to this thread. Analysis of 'A Thousand Names for Joy' (Scroll down list and read) Mind Cleanse Turnaround House Confidentiality Agreements
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
7 years ago
rrmoderator
Data lost through a backup failure some months ago has now been restored to this message board. This board is also now open for indexing by search engines such as Google. Information posted on the board should soon be appearing in searches as this is a public resource. The data recovered and restored included many individual posts and some threads. Lost membership registratio was not
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
7 years ago
The Anticult
To test this, just take any unique phrase from any forum post, the older the better, and put it into quotes, and you will see they are not in Google. Example, search Google for this string "Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??" You will see that phrase appears in many other websites, that linked to the old thread, but does not appear from these forums. According to
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
7 years ago
corboy
Back in 2005, Tolle's book The Power of New was the big thing. One person wrote this on Craigslist and had much to say about the accumulation mentality. Perhaps Mr Tolle's fees and seating arrangements have changed since that time. ---------- (quote)Eckhart Tolle is a hypocrite (bayview) Reply to: comm-110451599
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
7 years ago
corboy
If anyone suggests that care and concern about sources and your determination to fact check means you are negative and cynical -- Take such as response as a signal to be alert. Skepticism does not equal cynicism. And being skeptical does not make you 'negative minded' and does not make you a 'hater'. Skepticism is the fart in the mist of New Age incense. It kills t
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
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