A recent sermon by Bill Grier for your listening enjoyment...notice that the song at the beginning is a Walk chorus from the seventies.
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lone.wolf, Bill Grier was a pastor in The Walk during the late sixties and seventies. He was a high school teacher and pastor in Fallbrook, CA and later pastored in Claremont, N.H. He apparently joined another group called The Move, founded by Sam Fife, after leaving The Walk. He is currently a leader of Whitestone Farm in Delta Junction, AK, which is part of The Move group.
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Dear Pressing On, A belated welcome to the forum. Much love and healing to you.
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Vennie, wow! Welcome, and thank you for sharing. One of the Walk/TLWF doctrines and edicts prohibits members from communicating with people who have left the group. Therefore, members of TLWF would never even be aware that Bill Grier and other former members have joined another "church". It's amazing how many damaging and dangerous groups came out of the Pentecostal Latter Rain mov
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Quotefool me twice I also wish to report something I heard from a good source about the current leadership stating this last week. Some of the 'new leadership' is still publicly stating that everything you read online is poison. I guess it's just me however I think the first time I heard that must have been about 1965 from JRS. Of course nothing was online then but the story line
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Oh, dear...the flashbacks are intensifying. I need to read some of the Cult Education research to counterbalance. All I can remember from the Unfolding and the Unwrapping series of messages is that I believe they came in the islands and they was more conversational in nature between JRS, Marilyn and others who were surrounding him at the time. Very hard to follow, IMO.
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QuoteNavyVet79 Ok. 1.Coming at you: the spiritual leaning you're getting on a matter being considered 2.Going through it: struggling to come to grips with a testing in the spirit 3.Through dealing: died, ugh! 4.Nephi spirit: Crappy attitude 5.Corah spirit: Anytime you questioned anyone in "authority" 6.Holding it: Putting off answering ,spiritual sounding. Lotsa luck, ho
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Sorry, changedagain. We tried looking at the FP and had bad flashbacks too. Thanks for lightening the atmosphere.
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A couple more: Authority = Ministries claim to exercise the authority of Christ. Congregants must submit to their authority. "And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." Matthew 28:18 NASV Rebellious Spirit = describing the "spirit" of a congregant not submissive to the authorities. Closely linked to wit
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Wow, who knew we were taught to speak in such an odd language! The original First Principles (well, at least the first one with JRS' name as author) had a whole section on "Terminology". He already knew that he was creating a loaded language that no one else would understand. Going back to the term "Submission", I should add asking permission for the following concerni
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Quotecorboy Great idea to create a dictionary of "Walk Talk" identify ways that the same word is used one way by The Walk and other ways in the Christian world. Its a good idea to identify Scripture passages commonly used by The Walk and how TW interpretation of these passages differs from how these same passages are interpreted by communities untainted by The Walk and untainted by
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The latest incarnation of TLWF's Wikipedia page: The Living Word Fellowship is a group of nondenominational Christian churches located in the United States, Canada, Brazil, and Mexico,[1]which stem from the Pentecostal tradition. Some disagree that the fellowship is nondenominational, instead believing it to be a form of Protestant Christianity.[2] It has sometimes been described as a
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QuoteWalked Walked Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- "I feel like I’ve just been told there is no Santa Claus.... I always felt inferior to those who held named positions, and I was awestruck when seeing JRS in Anaheim and South Gate and the Valley church. I only regret that I had never seen him perform one of his laying on of hands “miracles” or to have see
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- A lot of people are trying to hold on to JRS and his teachings in the midst of this and that is heart breaking because he was a rabid perpetrator himself. He consciously and actively created deception to hide his wrongdoing. He gave innocent people (some ministries) words to do things that he needed done to protect his secre
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Welcome back, Cloudwatcher. We missed you! Cloudwatcher, is that really you? So glad you didn't go away after all. :)
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Regarding the "decision to join a cult", I hope that people will take the time to read and listen to the experts on this Cult Education Institute. Here is a link to a video by Rick Ross that discusses the question, "Is Joining A Cult a Personal Choice?" Victim blaming does little to further the healing process for all. Look at the research on "mind control" on th
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Awesome posts, HappySad, Amos, changedagain, kBoy, Cloudwatcher, puddington, Onion and so many others. There are those misguided friends who think that all of us here are the destroyers. We are not. The destroyers are the upper echelon TLWF leaders bent on absolute control and power. Even now they are rallying sympathy and support from among the faithful behind the scenes. The torches and pitchfo
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denisewallerlaughlin, Did you post at the end or after someone else's reply? Having trouble finding it. Your story is so important.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I noticed on the The Living Word Fellowship > website that the Honolulu and Palmer Lake churches > are no longer listed in the church directory. > What is that about? > Should I contact Robert Mueller, or is that taking > it too far? Changedagain, good catch! I googled those two churches and
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Has anyone seen this? Unbelievable! The Response of Living Word Fellowship to the Allegations of Sexual Misconduct by a Member of our Leadership We take seriously any reports of mistreatment of our staff, congregation or visitors within the Living Word Fellowship of churches, and we strongly condemn sexual harassment and misconduct of any kind. Such damaging activity should never take pla
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Has anybody looked at FB lately? There are reports that Gary is saying that this is all HIS idea! He started the investigation. So all who believe that stand on your head right now.
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Let freedom ring, my friends!!!
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Well, hi folks. Today my husband received an unsigned letter with no return address in the mail, postmarked HONOLULU, HI Here is what they wrote. Please give me your thoughts, or let me know if this has ever happened to you. "Husband's Name, I keep track of posts on the Rick Ross Forum. Last month your wife began posting and published her name in the profile section. Her name i
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Those who have served on church corporations know > that the Bylaws clearly state that the Apostolic > Fathering Ministries have final say on what > happens to church properties. The rest of the > corporate members do all the leg work, but have no > decision making power as far as asset ownersh
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Here's an interesting take on the time period when churches were being disbanded and sold from . "In the 1990s, many congregants of the smaller churches and home meetings chose to relocate in order to attend the churches originally founded by John Robert Stevens. Since the mid-90s, the fellowship has focused on developing church communities that create an environment for the maturing
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Additions to the list: > > Bakersfield > San Luis Obispo > San Gabriel > La Cresenta > Sacramento > Kauai, HI > > > Note the El Cajon church was in Casa de Oro > (Spring Valley). It was not shut down but left > TLWF. It is now pastored by David Cokas. Thanks, pu
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That list is stunning. I agree, changedagain. Do you remember the name of the Redlands Church and the approximate date it was sold?
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Below is a list of TLWF churches that have been closed and/or sold in the U.S. I think that most or all were closed after John's death. I couldn't remember the names of most. Please post any additions, corrections or additional info that you know. I was surprised at how many there were. All my old This Weeks are long gone. If anyone has some, there should be info on these churches in th
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In spite of what John said, I still consider > deceit, arrogance and greed to more contemptible > human traits than sarcasm. Of course, I'm biased. Ha, changedagain. Good one! ;-)
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