changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I always wondered about the dynamics of that > relationship--specifically, who has more > clout--Gary or Rick? Perhaps it depends on the > terrain. That is a good question, changedagain. Especially now with Marilyn gone. If Rick was anybody else's kid, I think he would have been out a long time
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------- > I suspect the people are so accustomed to being > beaten down by his "living word," the idea that > there is a God that is not driven to lay heavy > burdens upon them must seem like heresy (Matt. > 23:4) > BTW, as Gary transitions into spending more and > more time in Brazil, with its ob
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Really. I think Gary believes he a manifestation > of 'The Father' and that people need to work > harder to please him...a never-ending process. > I suggest the following title for his next word: > 'He Can't be Pleased--Give it a Rest!' Do you think Gary has graduated fro
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Our Ambition Is To Please The Father Oh, dear God, you mean those poor people haven't pleased you yet? Posted on January 28, 2018 By Gary Hargrave The drive and force (More hard work) behind the life of Christ was His motivation to live in His relationship with the Father and to love the Father with all of His heart, mind, soul, and strength. Gary: "If only you people could all be
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Off the subject...I was reading some old posts and cow bells were mentioned. I had an unpleasant flashback. Does anyone else remember those gawd-awful Marilyn Farms purple cow tags that they were selling for awhile? And the women wore them as earrings? Blech! Moooo! Changedagain, they not only consigned us to permanent slave labor status, they even turned us into cows!
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Ooops....I meant puddington!
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Cloudwatcher Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Is this Gary’s new GF? > > > > > > > > > > Yes > > > She looks a little like you-know-who. Isn’t she > from Maui? I thought the same thing about looks,
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Tknc, that really is a revealing part of Nichol's book. I was kind of shocked by that too. Changedagain.......... "wow--downplaying his lofty role in the fellowship to appear more normal, and win the favor of the court. So much for 'apostolic' integrity. Good thing he didn't mention Shiloh being the center of the universe--that probably would not have gone over too we
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Perhaps JRS really believed he was called of God > but along the way as he gained our trust and > control over us, he justified using deception > (absolute power corrupts) in putting forth his > claims and revelations maybe convincing himself he > was the Apostle to the Kingdom. Think about the &g
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lily rose Wrote: -------------------------------------------------- > Eventually absolute power and control can corrupt > an individual and they feel justified in using > deception. > > Perhaps JRS really believed he was called of God > but along the way as he gained our trust and > control over us, he justified using deception > (absolute power corrupts) in putt
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TheJewel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Most of these guys were natural salesmen with a > salesman’s flair and a well developed ability to > read people. The question for me has always been > is whether JRS and RD (the ones I knew the best) > did this deliberately or whether they had drank so > much of their own “Kool-Aid” that they decei
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Ahhh...the BMW! I remember that. And the carved turtle coffee table and the fabulous home in Hawaii where they couldn't decide how wide to make the walkway. There were several homes, all complete with slave labor. The perks of being a cult leader...
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > BTW, aside from weathering criticism from those > who lost their life savings in the mine > debacle...did John take a significant financial > hit? I recall an allegation in the divorce trial > that he was worth 30 million. Even if that number > was grossly inflated, and he was worth say 4-5 &
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Papa is his latest mark, apparently. Poor Papa. > > "A confidence trick is an attempt to defraud a > person or group after first gaining their > confidence, used in the classical sense of trust. > Confidence tricks exploit characteristics of the > human psyche, such as credulity, naïv
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Yes, I think so...
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NARCISSISTIC MANIAC ON THE LOOSE ALERT: We Must Foster And Nurture The Holy Spirit’s Presence Posted on January 24, 2018 By Gary Hargrave On Monday, January 22nd, I was honored to speak to the leadership of the Catholic charismatic movement in Brazil. I began by expressing the deep oneness I feel with Papa Francisco and my appreciation for what he is doing to create oneness in the Body of
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lily rose Wrote: -------------------------------------------- > Corboy I don't know if the walk had/has shrills. > It seems like most of us were just duped and when > we presented our involvement to others to get them > involved it came from a place of spreading kind of > a fairytale. Lily rose and corboy, I don't think that JRS used shills, that I was aware o
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More Random Thoughts... In Nichol's book, the reason for the split in the Valley church was revealed to be related to rumors of a "spiritual marriage" between JRS and an elder's wife. Several elders in the church were becoming very suspicious about the situation. They were also upset about the "special" relationship between JRS and the group of women known as the
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Random Thoughts... I came into the Walk just after there had been a split in the Valley church, supposedly over someone that JRS called a witch. However, Woodrow Nichols' research paper, An Experiment in End-Time Apostasy: The Walk of John Robert Stevens, tells a more complete story. In Chapter 9: The Split of 1967, Nichols talks about division in the eldership. All I heard chatter about
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I’ve posted information about TLWF for almost > twenty years, starting with Factnet, and have > never been threatened to have personal information > released from shepherd’s files.... > However,“The only thing necessary for the > triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing” – > Edmund Burk
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Reepicheep...last yr (1/30/17) Invisible posted > about marrying M and giving commitments to G&M. Is > that what you were referring to about getting > people to sign non-disclosure agreements? No, lily rose. I heard second-hand that some people in the organization who "knew too much"
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larry bobo Wrote: -------------------------------------------------------- Within TLWF, looking for direction from the leadership is considered a mark of maturity. corboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- A disciple is not the same as an inmate. It is a bad sign when a group of adults continually gaze at a leader the same way a gun dog looks up to his mast
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Oh, by the way, sometime in the 90's, people in the churches were told to write down everything about themselves, embarrassing or not, and give it to the pastor. I believe we were all given a set of questions to answer. I wonder where all THAT is?
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lily rose Wrote: ____________________________ > After reading > kbyrne's post about how all the personal ministry > was typed up, shared, and probably archived for > years, I wondered how or if it impacted members' > lives years later when G&M conducted their purges. Now there's a horrible thought, lily rose! Those typed up notes were called comm slips.
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Kbyrne and TheycalledmeJonah, the incident that NickleandDimed mentioned regarding the Honolulu church and Craig Gruenberg happened in the 80's. I don't believe he has been a principal pastor since then, but has remained very involved, especially in the worship. I'm interested in the experiences you shared, kbyrne. I think that most or all of the members of TLWF have either rece
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Great video, great list of points about destructive cults and great dicussion. #10. If you question something about the group, are you told it is your reactive mind, Satan, etc. and the problem is you – not the group? If I ever questioned anything, it was because I needed a revelation. It was sometinnes attributed to my carnal mind, a critical spirit, transference or a Jezebel spirit. If I
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I'm wondering if TheycalledmeJonah has any more recent examples of TLWF leaders or members being pushed out of the group because they asked too many questions or crossed the wrong person? Since many have already seen how the same strategies were used by JRS/G&M to rid themselves of people who had become noncompliant in some way, it would behoove members and and leaders alike to learn
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Cloudwatcher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This lady knows about the LW in Los Angeles Area > and has helped a lot of people. > > Great video, Cloudwatcher. Thanks for posting it!
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We constantly heard the evils of denominationalism > preached, and I would suspect it was more about > John’s excommunication and his refusal to have any > personal accountability than what he led us to > believe. It’s interesting that he demanded more > control over others than any group I’ve co
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Larry, it's so interesting hearing about what happened in Des Moines. Was Vere Thomas sent elsewhere, or was he just cut loose entirely? I didn't know that Vere and Mahota were sent on a long world tour to get them out of the way. Fred and Eva were also sent on a long world tour for the same purpose. I believe that a common dismissal during that time went something like, "Thank you
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