These video parodies are a riot. Check out this one, "Exposed-Success-Gospel-Crockery-Stars." They should do one on G-man.
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Seems like the whole world's gone mad in the last > 3 months. Gosh, if I was still in the cult, I > could just relax and be assured that G & M were in > control and everything was ok. Now it ain't so > easy. But it's reality, ain't it? Don't recall Papa John teachi
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lily, I think some ministries with narcissistic tendencies react. Just like men did back in the dark ages. They view their dreams as shameful. And attribute them to demons. The elder I described probably thought. Wow, that couldn't be coming from my mind. Or subconscious. Why that must have been a Jezebel spirit tying to wreak havoc on my pure walk with God. Yeah, that makes sense. I'm
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> changedagain Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > BTW, didn't Gary mention recently > in > > one of his messages that he wasn't responsible > for > > unfullfillment, since "the word" he has brought > > has been perfect? > > Or was he more subtle about it? > > lily rose Wrote: ------------
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > puddington Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Do you think there are an unusual number of TLW > > members with mental problems? Depression. > > Schizophrenia. Etc. Do you think the LW > > environment attracts them? And exasperates > their
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puddington, I recall spiraling down in depression. One of the older pastors expressed concern. John said it was tribulation. John lacked discernment. He saw mental health through a lens of spirituality. Most charismatics do. They ignore the biological and psychological components. Brain abnormalities and genetics. The brain can get sick and depressed. Sometimes the brain heals itself. Howe
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> puddington Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Is COHK pronounced "cock"? We probably shouldn't be saying COHK on the message board. It's not a nice word. COHK-A-ROACHES
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seventies walker, ha witness protection. I hear ya. Why did you leave in 79? what is COHK? The link is a great find. From page 12 on children who grew up in a cult, "The more controlling and intense a group, the more damage it does to its members." I'd say on a scale of 1 to 10. 10 being highly damaging. The LW is a 10. kBOY, Give me a break! G-man's warning about not t
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Ha! Gary asked for prayer. Regarding the next step for him. WH communications director would be a next logical step. To launch him onto the world stage. To bring forth the kingdom. Of course.
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Building Oneness – A Chronicle Of My Recent > Travels (Or, It's all about ME) > > July 31, 2017 — Monday — by Gary Hargrave > > > ding-oneness-a-chronicle-of-my-recent-travels/ > > ----- > > I attended many services, meetings, and > events . . . > I met with leade
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HEADBANGER NEWS: TIME TO PUT A SOCK IN IT! Travail That Brings A Greater Answer OR NOT July 23, 2017 — by Gary Hargrave This morning I brought a message titled “Travail That Brings A Greater Answer” at Grace Chapel in Rockville, Maryland. The Word of the Lord over this church BY A SICK AND DELUSIONAL WANNA BE APOSTLE as prophets to our nation has been delayed for many years, THA
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Thank you, lily. A FINAL WORD ON CRAZY WISDOM from one of cult links Corboy posted. Many of us who have left the community have often discussed among ourselves our complicity in the execution of acts of outrageous integrity that essentially amounted to abuse, and whether we witnessed these abuses firsthand or from a distance, we have often expressed regret over our failure to intervene o
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The redemptive symbolism in Groundhog Day is > genius. Anyone who feels the LW cult was a curse > on your life and you are going to live that stuff > every day until you day should watch it. I think you meant "live that stuff every day until you die"(not day). I've felt that way. I like
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When I left the LW I went back to the world. Not sex drugs and rock and role. But things that were more secular. So the idea of the symbols in some movies providing healing is good. I think Groundhog Day and Ordinary People. On some level were healing. Some people say when depressed. They watch comedies.
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Why is it people unquestionably trust men or woman of the cloth? We shouldn't do that. The Catholics forgive the sex abusers in their midst. But the abusers seldom change. And continue to abuse. IMO it's foolish not beautiful to blindly trust. Particularly men or woman of the cloth. I knew an ex-pat couple who had heavy guilt. After they left. Their child remained. The parents believ
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I liked the scientist Carl Sagan. He was skeptical about UFO's. He could really explain things. "If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us." Cloudwatcher's post and story are evidence. There are exceptions to the bamboozle.
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An expat I exchange books with loaned me a book, American Guru. It's about life in a cult founded and controlled by American guru, Andrew Cohen. It wasn't a Christian cult but the similarities are haunting. Controlled relationships, financial exploitation, abusive behavior, etc. The cult fell apart a few years ago. Andrew and members are interviewed in the video. Andrew talks of sending
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Who do you blame? Do you blame no one? Do you blame God? Or do you blame yourself for your involvement of you and your family in a destructive cult? NO! You blame the illegitimate spiritual leader, the illegitimate self appointed prophet, the illegitimate self appointed apostle, the illegitimate senior pastor. "Spiritual Responsibility: Avoiding Abuses and Pitfalls Along the Path "
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Just finished Captive Hearts Captive Minds. Very Good Read. "..initially most psychopaths appear quite normal. They present themselves to us as charming, interesting, even humble. The majority don't suffer from delusions, hallucinations, their contact with reality appears normal... Harder to evaluate, of course, is whether these leaders' belief in their magical powers, omnipo
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Jim Jones remains a sacred cow to some of his followers. Not a deranged leader of a destructive cult. 918 people went to their death. Believing Jim Jones was a prophet of God. I read that the families of the dead still meet. To talk about what happened. That's one way. To keep awareness of destructive cults alive.
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > NICKLE&DIMED: > > Thanks for taking over my job. Uh, what? No-no. You rock at it. I'm just a temp filling in while you take a breather. HEADBANGER NEWS: THE KOOL-AID ZINGER OF ALL ZINGERS I Will Drink This Cup July 9, 2017 — by Gary Hargrave This morning I brought a message
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Tmason, it was puddington, not lily rose, who posed the question about good mattress room stories. My theory is this. Cults like the LW. Attract people with anti social personality disorders. They are funny and fun to be around. But uncaring when people are hurt. One of my abusers. Who was given authority as an elder and assistant pastor by laying on of hands. The couple I posted about months ago
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Shiloh University Commencement Ceremony 2017 July 1, 2017 — by Gary Hargrave Today, I brought the commencement address for the 4th annual graduation for Shiloh University. Jesus taught that the foremost commandment is, “‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your
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Serve God Only June 30, 2017 — by Gary Hargrave This morning I brought a message titled, “Serve God Only” at Shiloh, Kalona, Iowa. God gave you salvation as a free gift from Him. He does not require a response to that free gift and indeed, any response beyond the faith to receive His free gift is not required in a salvation relationship with Him. In cult like manner Gary uses orthodox
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What Shiloh Have You Come To? June 28, 2017 — by Gary Hargrave Tonight I opened the School of Prophets at Shiloh with a message titled, “What Shiloh Have You Come To?” Where are the condos and private rooms. We want to know why the Word is not working in us. I can't make you love me if you won't. It is not a problem with the Word. No it's not. It is a problem with ou
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Today many brainwashed wanna be false prophets from the little remnant will gather. At the school of prophets. Words will be spoken to pump each other up. You are the elect. You are so special. Words that have no authority will be spoken. That are meant to shake our nation. Watch out nation. Watch out Donald Trump.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > puddington Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > So, what do you suppose the gifts were that > they > > gave to the Pope? > > > I hope it wasn't an original copy of The First > Principles. That would likely be > counterproductive
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So, what do you suppose the gifts were that they > gave to the Pope? There used to be some Indiana Jones Holy Grail and the Last Crusade Cup of Christ Chalices. Stored in a Shiloh bunker. Maybe G-man is re-gifting fake holy grail things.
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The autobiography of a sheep-beater: > > I was looking for the part where Craig says. He's been out looking for the battered and wayward lambs. My mistake. Not his destiny. When pastor disciplined me. He'd say, "Meet me at the hanging tree." I'm calling my autobiography, "
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Interesting. Gary missed out on his bear hug from the Pope. Silas and his South American cardinals/cronies surely arranged it. Wait till Gary's in Jerusalem. Gary's undoubtedly seething. Gary doesn't handle betrayal well. "Et, tu, Silas."
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