This was posted 1/8/2012 larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Strand, > You mentioned considering writing a book in a > recent post about JRS having a son out of wedlock, > and seeing legal documents to prove it. I would > hope your goal would be to bring freedom to those > in TLWF. You might start with this web site to > s
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12/13/2011 this was posted Strand Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No I haven't found the ones on Factnet, because > those links just point to the main page. If you > have a better link that would be great. In any > case it is true that Michael Buckingham is JRS's > son. I won't tell you how I know, but lets just > say
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Going public can be a way for some victims > to reclaim what they believe they lost. I think we > are seeing that today in the ME TOO movement. > However, during that time when the woman gave > birth, I wasn't suggesting that JRS tell the > congregation her name. I was suggesting that JRS > sh
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Onion you posted on another strand. Stevens had a bio son with a lady in the church. For most of us. That has been an unsubstantiated rumor. Do you have any further evidence? Just curious.
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That's stunning, lily. Here's the exact quote. "The term divine order appears 568 times in Steven's written material." Such repetition and overkill of a false unbiblical concept. To indoctrinate. To control the sheep. To brainwash.
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > puddington Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > If you are in the inner circle at TLW/CLW you > get > > to hang out here. > > > > > > > Rayen looks like the perfect facility to house the > JRS Occult Library and Chicken Coup Museum.
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GoingRogue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > puddington Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > I was recently talking to someone and I was > trying > > to describe the LW cult. I was trying to think > of > > a more well-known cult the the LW is most > similar > > too. Any suggestions?
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Lily thank you for Gary's Top Ten Reasons Why he is not Christ Incarnate. If anyone dare. Ask Gary to explain. How is it that you are Christ in the Flesh? IMO Gary would evade the question. By saying. "Christ ministers his life to me in secret. Manifesting His anointing. Not the person of Jesus."
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John's doctrine of Christ Incarnate in the LW comes from the Latter Rain teaching we are gods just like the New Age Movement and many other cults. This puts the Latter Rain squarely in the cross hairs of Jesus’ warnings: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect (Ma
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > larry bobo Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > I was the herb guy for Des Moines and remember > > meeting with Damon Davis. He would talk to the > > plants to see if they were edible. A couple of > > times he talked to mushrooms that apparently > l
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NancyB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Invisible Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- , > > there is no fig leaf big enough that can > cover > > the shame of any pastor or ministry, who would > > lead people to believe it is right for any > > ministry or member in the church to support
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NancyB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I just got a shock as I explored You Tube. > When I wsa young and remember jrs speaking at > Christima Tabernacle. he often mention namesl liek > Aimme, Simple MacPheason; billy Sunday; Smith > wiggleworth. > > I know a number of you who have engangin about the > wlak know taht jrs was defroc
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Lily, no doubt John. Was aware of those attacks on Amee. May explain why. John so quick to excommunicate Francis. That is. If it's true. Francis not under influence of mind control. Called M a Jez to John's face. Not to mention. As reported on this forum. Jhorton who wasn't under the influence of mind control. In the early 80"s publically called M a Jez during a sermon. And wa
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GSchaeff Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > and here's my reddit post. I feel so hip! > > GSSchaeff "I ask if at all possible to refrain from using proper names of individuals not in key leadership roles such as JRS and G&M." I disagree. There has been kind of a party line. Expressed by only a few. On this forum. To do tha
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Caroline was a deaf interpreter. She couldn't have been that old. Believe she lived in Honolulu. My condolences. To her family and children.
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Factoverfiction Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > 2) Contact one of the accreditation oversight > organizations that are providing Shiloh University > with their Distance Learning Accreditation. This > is perhaps the most damaging thing Shiloh is doing > to its congregants. They're coercing young adults > into pursuing degrees t
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BenTHare Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes, I grew, in spite of the culture. I am > convinced, that the SEEKING made my growth > possible. And so it is, yet, today. > That's good. To hear. IMHO the possibility of growth. Isn't based on how many years you were in the LW. If it were 50 years or 10 years. Neither is worse than the ot
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NancyB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > WOW! The PROBE! I have not thought about that for > decades. I think I don't want to think any more > about it. Been having lots of other flash backs > and dreams...trying to find an appropriate shrink > just in case it is too much for me. > > To be fair, or something: we all come to thes
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NancyB I believe you. That your children or child were/was beaten while in a Kingdom School. It's not uncommon. As some teachers are untrained. In working with special needs kids. Like your son. It can happen while no one else is watching. In private. In the restroom. A closet. Abusers/Narcissists don't seem abusive in the beginning. But the more you are involved with them. The abus
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NancyB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hey larry bobo you said "Funny, I don't remember > John teaching that the kingdom is a dictatorship, > but rather a relationship. It was the lordship of > Jesus Christ" > Glad you said that you don't remember jrs saying > somethings. At the time there were many things > people
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I guess we’ll never see that nursing home at > Shiloh either. Now that's funny. John's vision for a nursing home Walk style. Would have operated like a mental institution. As in One Flew Over the Cukoo's Nest. With its own version of Nurse Rachett. Like Shiloh U. Employees would not be paid. P
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puddington Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > GTIO. Welcome to the RR forum. I love your screen > name. And wow, I remember that slut-shameing > message that Marilyn brought to the YASPers. So > messed up. Welcome GTIO. How brave. To admit you're a millennial. They sure do get a bad wrap. In the culture. Not TLWF. Was Rick ever slut-s
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > NickleandDimed Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Regarding the posts. About Gary and the cup. My > > sources tell me. There is something serious > going > > on. The cup is not a joke. > > NickleandDimed, do you have any idea what it's >
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Regarding the posts. About Gary and the cup. My sources tell me. There is something serious going on. The cup is not a joke.
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I knew an elder and his family. Who were removed by G&M. I didn't understand why. I thought they if anyone. Were in good standing. It would have been known. By G&M that at one time. Before joining the LW and marrying. The elder said he was gay. I can't say for sure. That is why the elder was removed. All I can say. It didn't make sense to me. It bothered me. But I pushed it
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 12. Are you told that you are specially chosen as > > “saviors” of the world, as long as you remain > in > > the group? > > > So what is Jesus looking for? As Larry > persistently suggests, if you read the words of > Jesus he is not looking for cultish super > Christians or th
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Thank you Reepicheep, lily, and Cloudwatcher. Woodrow Nichol's book on the Walk is so crammed with information. I often forget the information. Such was the case with 1979. And the leader changes. I wonder how many at the time. Who were demoted even knew about the 34 changes. I went back to read about it. And what was sickening to me. The reports that while the changes were happening. John w
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Gruenberg would hangout at night spots. with a few buddies from the church. Or they would get together at each others homes on a regular basis. These were not church meetings. John said forming a clique was not how pastors were to shepherd their flock. It had nothing to do with integrity or accessibility. Gruenberg obviously didn't know. That was John's standard for being a pastor. The
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Reepicheep said, Leadership in the LW was tenuous at best. A few years before John's death. He removed Gruenberg as pastor of the Honolulu Church. Not excommunicated from the LW. Gruenberg went through it. Congregants reported to John. That Honolulu had become a clique. And Gruenberg was part of it. John said pastors should not be socializing with members. The way Gruenberg did. BTW, I rec
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I saw people prophesied over numerous times. Some of what they got was just whacho. And shouldn't have been taken seriously. But it was. You heard a lot of God told me. The spirit just said to me. Fill in the blank. You hear that a lot. In Pentecostal circles. IMO in the LW, they kicked it up a notch. Because John and M, we were told, shared the deity of Christ. And directly spoke God's
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