Historical Events I Recently Attended in Jerusalem and the Vatican June 13, 2017 by Gary Hargrave Slandjt, Gary sighting, Jerusalem Unless you're visiting here from another planet. How can you not be interested in these "historical events"? Silas and Joao were introduced to Pope Francis as pastors of TLWF (Gary missed out.) Pope Francis replied with a big hug and brot
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > * * * HEADLINE NEWS * * * > ONE MORE STEP TOWARDS CANONIZATION > > "Visit To Saint Peter’s Basilica In Vatican > City" > June 3, 2017 — Saturday — by Gary Hargrave > > > t-to-saint-peters-basilica-in-vatican-city/ > > (No more need be said.) More said. Gary's PO
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A First Fruits of All He Created By Matt Walkoe June 4th, 2017 God prophesied over John Stevens that “Zerubbabel laid the foundation of this house, and his hands will finish it.” As the BAD fruit of John Stevens’ ministry, we are his DESTRUCTIVE hands as we help LEAD ASTRAY one another to fulfill these DEAD words of prophecy. The FALSE Living Word lives in us, and we, as living DEAD epis
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kBoy talked of bickering. Bickering is verbal back and forth that does not seek to wound. It can be annoying. But it is not abuse. It's more or an irritant. And happens on all message boards. Any type of verbal back and forth that causes wounds is never justified or should be tolerated on a message board.
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Invisible, When the link to Woodrow Nichols book Reflections from the Wall was posted. I read your posts. You balked. Were you against it being shared here? Have you ever read it? The conversations that resulted. From Nichol's research were what this forum is about. Discussions about the destructiveness of the cult.
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This is a regulated message board. It's not a free for all. What I noticed is. When posters don't follow the rules. Don't stay on topic. Think they can post anything. Any opinion they want. Preach. Don't show respect to posters. Engage in personal attacks. Things break down. I'm ready for correction Invisible. Go ahead. Bring it on.
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Changedagain, you brought us banishment. That's the job of the moderator. Right? Not us. You asked for more information because you haven't read all the posts. If you don't keep up to speed. Can't help you. My posts today. Were not advocating banishment. Or shunning. I hope you took my point that if a poster is abusive. Engages in personal attacks or is demeaning to a poster.
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Shame makes us feel worthless. If you were under G&M. You say yeah. Tell me about it. Almost everyone responds to shaming in someway. Now that we're out of TLWF. If some one shames us. We can lost respect for them. And we want to distance ourselves from them. I wouldn't call that shunning. As we knew it in the LW. That's unfair. It's survival. Shaming like sarcasm is easy.
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changedagain, after you posted your name. I remembered. I know that dude. The picture you try to paint of yourself here. Not what I remember.
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I was going to continue my story about Bessie and Mom. I don't think I will be sharing.
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I disagree with changedagain. IMO no tormented current member or hurt expat will take the risk of posting. Having read some of the shaming that goes on here. To have some CSW tell them it's crap. Or it's a lie.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SouthGate Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > If I'm offending or pissing anyone off with my > > post please speak up. If anyone wants me to > quit > > posting on here, please let me know also because > I > > will stop. Maybe this
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Southgate, I join with lily rose. I am not reading your posts either. Don't make any comments on my posts either. For me. Your presence on this message board is like having a cult lover from TLWF breathing down my neck.
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Jewel, I didn't say "And offering your personal opinions about spirituality or religion was against the rules." The moderator said it. In reading all the posts. I found when conversations got off topic about personal opinions about spirituality or religion. It usually involved mocking and demeaning of Christianity. Not the LW. In one instance. Regarding political agendas and
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When I read through the posts. I thought some of the posters, who have tried to discredit Larry Bobo, had an agenda. Last week I opened my big mouth. I said something about Larry preaching. I apologize. The distinctions Larry makes between the cultish lies of the LW and the mainstream is not preaching.
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My mom was friends with Bessie. Marilyn's mom. My mom experienced a traumatic event. Her doctor put her on medication. This is a long story. But I am talking about it because of this. At some point, John said she was fine. Didn't need the medicine. My mom had a relapse. When my father learned what happened. He was livid. My mom and he argued. He said get in the car. To go see John. He w
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I read information on this forum. Before signing up. Rick Ross says most people hurt by cults don't speak out. I wanted to try speaking out. At first. I wasn't sure how to. Rick Ross says no one cares about benign spiritual groups. They don't hurt people. I don't care about them either. I wasn't interested to participate on a message board discussion about spirituality an
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I would like to thank Larry and Mike for speaking > out for over a decade and exposing the LW cult and > its leadership (JRS, Marilyn, and Gary) without > holding back and without apology. There are no > sacred cows. It's probably because of your example > that I am also able to speak out. &
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I’ve often wondered if we elevate another to > indirectly elevate ourselves. If they turn out to > be a nobody, does that make us a nobody as well? > For me, when John or G&M stopped being a position > I idolized, it was much easier to see the > doctrinal errors. Jesus said to call no man
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The RRModerator has said, "Blaming the victim is not what the message board is about. It's wrong and not helpful. Don't attempt to imply blame or shame victims on the message board. " I agree coming from some training as a counselor. Invisible recently said he/she doesn't blame John and he/she bares responsibility for elevating him. To which Puddington weighed in that he/
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I’ve often wondered if we elevate another to > indirectly elevate ourselves. If they turn out to > be a nobody, does that make us a nobody as well? I know expats who still think because they knew John. They touched Christ. They were close to Christ. > > Why is it such a sacred cow to even consi
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rond, How good for you, you lost your faith. Sounds like your bragging again. Your path doesn't impress. The forum is about the concerns we have about the LW, the Walk, TLWF cult. Posting and expressing concerns about the cult can help people process the hurt. That's not speculation. To say so comes across as victim bashing. Many were victimized and continue to be.
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Invisible Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > So I believe that TLW is where God chose to set me > - to grow up in the faith. So whether I was set > by God into any body of believers, whether in a > denomination or in a cult - I apply - that was - > God's choice for the place I would be growing up > in my faith in Him. I fig
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Invisible Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Here is the difficulty - Can the members of the > TLWF of today - see where the things they have > been taught and believed to be God's will, were > and are in error - in light of what is reported > to have taken place or will those who know first > hand what took place - conti
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Invisible Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > In the late 60's and early 70's hundreds of young > people came flooding into the church and I don't > know of anyone who came who was educated in the > Scriptures. Peter Whitney and Bowman Littleton > were zealous about the Scriptures, but they were > kids like every one el
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BTW, found my copy of Lennon biography "Nowhere Man." Lennon's Christian phase happened 1970's around the same time Tony Cox had his kidnapped daughter in the Walk. Lennon lost his belief a few years before he was murdered in 1980.
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I wonder if Tony Cox used the Walk to stay underground. John maybe thought Yoko was too off beat to mother. Although John didn't know Lennon got saved. In Lennon biography "Nowhere Man..." Lennon watched TV evangelists. Billy Graham. Oral Roberts. Called the 700 Club help line for drug addiction.
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Lily Rose said, "He (Paul) talks about a thorn in his side." I wonder if Gary thinks the cult forum attacks a thorn in his flesh. Sent to discredit him? Yes. Cause him suffering? Hard to say. But I think not.
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for sharing in such an honest way in this > forum, FA. My name is Mike, BTW. I doubt we know > each other, but here's my FB link anyway: > The link didn't work. I get it now. A joke. ha I created a link to my FB page with a picture of zombie and me entitled "Unequal Yok
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It's like absolute power causes mental state deterioration. Recently read what Sen John Edwards said. About having extra-marital affairs. How he could have risked his career and potential to become President. He said his rise to power fed a self-focus, egotism, narcissism that leads you to believe you can do what ever you want.
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