Dahlia lost ... my wife and I remember you. My wife lived at Cohasset House when I was dating her in 1977. We both worked at FineLine at the time. She said Sue was not a good housekeeper, and my wife would clean house in the middle of the night when the Reling's were sleeping. You had a couple Saint Bernards as I recall. My wife remembers being there when Jim and Donna West were living there
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I hope for lots of love for them in their navigation through life.
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My wife and I received horrible ministry when she had a miscarriage early in our marriage. I shared this in a post acouple years ago. My wife and i were talking about it this morning. We didn't see much focus from leadership on affection and nurturing towards babies. Maybe the seeds of hurt and misery were implanted earlier than we thought towards our children from these cult leaders that we
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At least rick holbrook fathered no children. Is this correct?
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In relating to these reposts on page 1171 I continue to remember how wonderful Donna Hargrave was. We went to a seminar together about flash cards for our babies to learn to read early. It was kind of different but fun. My wife and I were over the valley nursery at the time at the direction of john gospel spinach and john horning. My oldest son turned 40 this week. Onion ... I still get extre
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Yes, Reepicheep. I couldn't have said it better.
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Yes, I tried position thinking with the puppies but it didn't work. When I was eating bacon, one of them sits on his back legs. When they look at me with their puppy eyes; the next thing I know, the bacon finds their mouths. It just seems to always find their eagerly waiting mouths. They are definitely in charge. Good thing nobody knows of me not showing them how to be properly obedient; all
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Today I am crying a lot. I am thinking of Jesus after the resurrection cooking fish on the sea of Galilee. Even after the resurrection; he was so down-to-earth. He always took on the role of a servant. I see him cooking fish. I bet He was so excited to have a meal with his disciples. He really loved those he spent those 3+ years with. He wanted them so much to feel his Peace and love. I bet he wa
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I hear quite a few people are moving from San Diego to Arizona right now. I hope they are delivering themselves from the cult; and that San Diego die hards will finally go away and / or find healing from the toxic Julie Larson / Bruce Larson poison and other henchmen like Sebolt and the senior Sayers. We are still being bombarded with joining a group online that has Sunday services in the Shiloh
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Reepicheep: Thank you for sharing the podcast link. Just finished listening to it. Hope it has a large following to help those still ensnared by Cult deception. Mr. Ross, thank you for all you do.
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Changed again: Yes, I remember constantly having it crammed down our throats that Gary had chosen a "higher" calling by divorcing Donna and devoting himself to Marilyn, the lamp (tramp) of (of what, I can't remember). We were told, Donna had chosen a lower Christian path that didn't require discipleship. In reality, Donna followed the higher path, one of integrity and prote
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Changed Again: thank you. Yes, we were very fortunate. In my little interaction with Donna Hargraves: she seemed very sweet. My wife and I were very poor when our first-born was born in Dec. 1980. When he was about 1 & 1/2, a friend in the Valley LA church paid for me to go to a class for our baby (kind of weird now, teaching a baby flash cards for an early start on his education). I got a
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Sexual lust, adultery and perversity sure causes people to give themselves and become channels of satan. Herod had John the Baptist arrested, bound and put in prison on account of Herodias, the wife of his brother Philip. Herod liked John and talks he had with him; but had him beheaded because he loved having sex so much with his brother's wife; he would do anything Horodias (or her daughter
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It is clear to me that Gary Gargraves hated little children and babies. I am so glad Donna and her baby got away from him. He deserted them; but if he hadn't; the baby's innocence would have been jeapordized and/or destroyed. Donna and her baby reminds me of Jesus, Joseph and baby Jesus fleeing Herod before he slaughtered all the babies in the region. Slaughtering children doesn'
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"NO" doubts about their perversity. Our kids were little and hidden in Montana during much of this time. My wife and I are grieved for so many who had children that had to hear their sexual perversity from their mouths while claiming they were God's mouthpiece.
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The use of such explicit language by G&M to our young people proves to me they were extremely perverse; and had no regard for young girls (and boys) having a pure, safe relationship with our creator and those he created. I bet those meetings with the young people always excluded us parents of those young people. This seems like they were grooming a whole generation for extremely horendous,
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Thank you Changedagain and Kboy. I love the dry sense of humor and acceptance I find here. I like dry humor but found in social gatherings when I was in the cult my dry humor scared people because they felt challenged in trying to control me. It was a good coping mechanism and protection for me at the time; now it is just plain fun with you all.
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When people are caught up in their positions of grandeur, they not only cannot see the hearts of the broken hearted, but they can not see God's broken heart for the broken hearted.
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Maybe this isn't appropriate for this forum but Mr. Ross will help screen this, I'm confident of: The arrogance of leadership over all these years still leaves me in tears: Jesus said he entrusted himself to no man, because he knew what was in man. He also rebuked the person that called him "good teacher" by saying no man was good. He wanted all the glory and adoration t
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I also enjoyed my interaction with Simon Nisely at the sawmill. Wonderful person. John Bender was very nice also and his wife. I think he could fix anything. The best part of Shiloh was stealing cookies at midnight with Jim Stewart and Jeff Fry. Gladys knew we did it, but her scolding was not very serious and had love intermixed. Yes, there were some wonderful people mixed in. I never saw any lea
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I have a round scar on the top of my left hand that looks like a silver dollar, kind of cute. Well, after 43 years, it is now pretty faded, so not that noticeable. If anyone sees it, they may figure out who typer is. If they do know, that's OK with me. It is nice not having to be too secretive any more; especially since we have no evil secrets to hide, just secretive things that have been
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In reference to KBoys sawmill experience and mine which follows: They put me in the sawmill during the winter of 1976 after helping put up sheet rock in the warm 1976 summer months. My experience with injury there is as follows and pales compared to what some others experienced. After I left the sawmill in the summer of 1977 to work in the LA printing, I heard the story of the person who had h
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Comment about Dick Lloyd on page 1078: When I worked at Fine Line graphics, Dick Lloyd was instrumental in bringing them print jobs from Coca-Cola. These paid jobs that Fine Line got with Dick's help must have been huge in keeping Fine Line open (paying the rent and our huge employee salaries), plus helping pay for the This Weeks and stuff going out to the churches. After a Coca-Cola j
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I mean by "poop" all the poppy cock of man's religion and opinions to try and pry us from the loving arms of the One we love and who loves us.
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Kboy … what you are saying about the gospel of love requiring no religion resonates with my wife and I. We are staying away from religion and man's opinions as much as possible, asking for His help and keeping it simple. Getting puppies has been such a blessing to us, because we have watched their barometer when we meet strangers … they either love the stranger or let us know to stay away fr
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Thank you Kboy. Your insight is greatly appreciated.
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My wife and I stayed with the Huisman's approx. 1986 when we lived in Montana and would commute 600 miles to visit the Yakima Washington church every few months. We also stayed with Jerry & Donnette Olson a couple of times. The Huisman's were a very loving couple and lived next door to the church. He was a good photographer. He took a picture of some mountain goats in Glacier Nat
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Onion … thanks for all you do.
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There is so much emphasis from Jesus in his ministry on the widow, the orphan and children. Even the 12 apostles didn't have a clue on how much Jesus loved children. What the fuck is wrong with people and their religion? The damn love for money and power and who the hell is going to sit at the right or left hand of the Father? On top of that is the sexual gratification from perverts that com
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The fat cats may find a mountain lion devouring them in this life or in the one to come who comes to the rescue of the widow and orphan. Their rotten fruit will smell them out. It already is for those who have good smellers. Our dogs are great smellers. I've always wondered why John Sayer and John Stevens hated dogs so much.
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