This is my final post on this or any forum concerning TLWF. I have deactivated my other social media accounts. I am ending the blog site, and ending any activity here. I know some faced abuse at the hands of TLWF, but I also find too many “victims” too willing to attack anyone who doesn’t share their particular perspective. I tolerated a lot in the fellowship, but there is no justification
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In my opinion, the communal > home model has done much to perpetuate a > controlling and rigid atmosphere over several > generations. Any thoughts? As bad as things were for me I keep thinking that I must have missed the worst of it. I lived in three communal homes as a younger man: the first in the Va
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> Reepicheep Wrote: > "Hey, God forgave David, why can't you let > this go? God can't bless you if you're not > forgiving" I have no idea how Rick became > conflated with this storied biblical figure, but I > suppose that is beside the point. Perhaps if I > read scripture more often I would be familiar with > the verse about David &am
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I don’t know if anyone on this forum previously observed that the term “upward flow” is a synonym for “pyramid scheme.” With Marilyn deceased and with Gary and many others ostensibly out of the picture because they resigned and fled, or are laying low hoping that the law doesn’t catch up with them, who is at the top of the pyramid now? How would one reconcile that doctrine now given the cur
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Was offering money actually used to buy all the booze > (not just wine) drunk by "apostolic ministries"? What > a crock! I do not miss the reek of cigar smoke at > church events. > > I suppose that whatever vices "Christ in the flesh" > enjoyed automatically became the most
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The plan for senior housing went nowhere. Was that > ever a real thing? If they wait long enough there is no need for senior housing, unless that resurrection life thing happens, in which case they won’t need it then either. All those surviving seniors in resurrection bodies can sign billion year contracts l
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Wow, changed! I guess I forgot about the stoplight > part. I agree that you were wise to stop, even > though they must have been an illusion sent to > test your faith. ;) > > No more literature here. It's all long gone. > Someone must still have one, though. You can buy the PDF for $5
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well, stuff happened in 1979, but it sure didn't > feel like the Kingdom to me. ;) I was in that 1972 service when John Stevens described that vision and has only found the Walk a few months prior. I always thought that he was being metaphoric. Admittedly; however, I wasn’t much worried about retirement p
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And now for something completely different ... I remember sneaking out of a communal home in the Valley in 1973 in the middle of the night because I was sick of paying everyone elses rent, and at 18 being in charge of a half dozen older hippie types who couldn’t keep a job and grew pot in their rooms. I remember almost getting beat up at a Jesus People meeting in Ventura where I used to go
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There is an old cult classic film entitled “Goliath Awaits” that is about a ship sunk by a torpedo, found some 40 years later. On that ship there are some 300 people who somehow managed to survive in an air pocket who have forged a society run by a seeminly benevolent autocrat played by Christopher Lee who rules by an iron hand. When a dive team enters the ship they are astonished by what they fi
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 903,921 page views to date... > I hope none of them are con men looking for new > victims. We're not available! > Wait...God speaks to you? Hmm...that's > interesting. 905,000+ now and still counting ... If not the best, certainly we were in the most interesting cult. I feel a s
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 877,971 page views to date. > Unfortunately, I'm guessing that some of these > views are people hoping to > resurrect this mess. Oh well. One of those “people” is me since I haven’t made any progress any other way toward getting my darn yacht!
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Onion Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > p.s. I still do not believe that God transported > John into the future (from 1972 to 1979) to > witness the coming Kingdom...on a day in which > John was spending quality time with his > girlfriend. Yes, I know
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Much of the abuse and other morally and ethically questionable actions by leaders associated with and who succeeded John Stevens were not something I personally experienced. When my wife and I left around 1998 over issues in South Gate it wasn't so much over abuse as it was what I considered a lack of adherence to the principles of church governance taught from the pulpit and in the literatu
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I wonder if the toxic people we knew will ever take responsibility for their actions? Of all the letters I wrote to the Hargraves and their minions I never received a single reply. Only one in South Gate who gave me such difficulty ever walked back what was done and in tears apologized, but he took flak for it.
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > NancyB - > > I never wanted to become a lawyer. I wanted to > work with animals. I was looking into > veterinarian school at the time G&M reminded me of > the word to become a lawyer. So that's what I > did. > Based on what you have written, perhaps you did get to work with anima
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that little red flag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Onion - > > I think you "org chart" of the generations is > probably truer than trying to define it by date > only. > > The following is my musing on "what generation am > I?" from the new forum, The Living Word Fellowship > Survivors Community. >
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Amos. Where's Andy? He could probably help you > raise money for that yacht. Just make up a fake > reason for how much healing and pursuing the > kingdom can be achieved on your yacht and there > are many who would love to have place to tithe > just now.... > Sadly, Andy blew out. Deepl
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I am concerned about the coffee table controversy. It’s a distraction. God showed me that this group should buy me a 135 foot yacht. Focus on that you children of Anak!
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So yes, we are now being lumped together under the > satanic warfare category We really are a bunch of sorry souls on this forum. We just can't seem to do anything but channel Satan just like the Nephilim we are. I don't know, perhaps the title is deserved? It must be, since for the life of me I missed t
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > puddington Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Kboy & Changed, I get a check on it. > > > > Besides, it’s nearly impossible to find Chevy > > Vegas anymore. : ) > > Yeah, I guess they went the way of the This Weeks. > Perhaps a true
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > BTW, is "spiritual wife" mentioned anywhere in the > FP? It's been so long since I've read it. Yes, it is in the restricted version. Only horny pastors with Nephilim wives were allowed access to it.
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LampShmamp Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Next question--what is, or what was, Impact? That’s a blast from the past. If I recall they made and sold painting products — brushes, rollers an so on.
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Cloudwatcher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh wow. TLWF hired an attorney to investigate > itself. Isn't that novel? At least they are doing something. What remains is what will be found, and then what will be done with the findings.
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Amos - It is usually not possible to give a > first-hand account of sexual improprieties unless > the information is being told by someone who > participated in the sexual act. > > I have been told by people who were abuse victims, > seduced women (by both JRS and by G&M) of sexual > co
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TheJewel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > kBOY Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > (Remember > > all the scuttlebutt surrounding Mel Bailey in > > Anaheim?) We were also stuck in the east when > all > > the 'divorce-wars' were taking place. We were > > also not in a position to g
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Onion Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Some of the financial claims against Stevens were > not true but yes he had everything done for him by > "volunteers." "Kingdom businesses" like Living > Word all had either volunteers (which is illegal > to the businesses) or who were so underpaid as to > be shocking and all the m
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Cogreg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In Santa Barbara, we called ourselves The Church > of the Living Word. I did not realize that this > was only a local or case-by-case name. > > My mentor and friend "blew out" of the church and > had an extremely rough time. He would have been > shunned if he had tried to come back, but
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Cogreg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 1. When did "The Walk" or "Church of the Living > Word" become "The Living Word Fellowship"? I don't > recall that name. I was in this thing from late > 1973 through about 1978, in southern and central > California. > > 2. Is there any kind of count or census of
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Changedagain: I am certain wearing that Cal Berkeley hat was what led you astray. Only a nephilim would do something like that!
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