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16 years ago
Zorro
This is very interesting. It would be good to find out what exactly has happened. I wonder if it is happening in other places around the world?
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16 years ago
Zorro
QuotevlindenFor me, one of the greatest "breakthroughs" of my life was when, sitting by a lake and watching a flock of birds wheeling in perfect formation through the sky, I realized that nature has its own intelligence, and humans have NOTHING to do with creating it. I was at the time involved in a great internal struggle about religion, and suddenly it all dropped away as I saw that l
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16 years ago
Zorro
Interesting discussion. I'm not playing devils advocate. But even if you have "adventures" and have been unsheltered as you were growing up and are in touch with the world around you. That doesn't neccesarily keep you from falling victim Landmark. I grew up in the country, the nearest small town was 15 miles away by the highway. I was able to travel over the country side fr
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16 years ago
Zorro
Vlinden, I am very lucky as well to have her in my life. If it hadn't been for her I might still be in Landmark. Landmark has a way of taking all sensabilities from a person. Some people are affected differently than others. I too didn't listen. But not just to my girl friend but to another woman that was in my life before my girl friend. The woman had warned me and told me they w
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16 years ago
Zorro
She's not much on discussing Landmark and hates it when I mention it too her. She wants me to just forget about it, however that isn't possible. She's really hard core when it comes to manipulative people and groups. She's no holds barred and doesn't mind getting even. Basically her approach to making me realize I was getting screwed by Landmark was to call me out on a
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16 years ago
Zorro
Yes! You've learned quite well! If an apologist ever tells me that I will reply: "I am really "positive" that if you don't take your own "racket" somewhere else quickly a situation will be "created" where by there is a distinct "possibility" of me putting my boot up your ass. I am also "resposible" enough that the boot will be of
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
Zorro
I'm ready for what ever zombie troll comes this way. I would absoultely love to debate a Pro Lekkie right now.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
Zorro
Well, the inevitable fallout of my involvement with Landmark Education continues. Today I lost my job. The company that I worked for asked me to resign from my position. I have never been asked to leave a job before in my entire life. Luckily I have a collefe degree in a technical field that allows me to find work easily. So hopefully, my unemployment situation will only be temorary. Just to g
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16 years ago
Zorro
QuoteJohn FoxHey Zorro, that's a great post. Really appreciate your mentally crunching through this for us. Just to clarify with sex life problems .... people start the course with no problems, and they then develop ... becoming evident during or after the Landmark Education course? John Not really sure. But it seemes odd to me that so many people I knew in Landmark were having prob
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
Zorro
Thanks Ellen for finding and posting the article. I'll dissect what I see as "Landmark's influences", as they are encountered when reading the article from the beginning. 1. The article mentions that they had problems with their sex life. This certainly happens with people in Landmark Education and was one of the first things I encounterd myself where none had existed be
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
Zorro
While in a waiting room today I was bored and picked up an old Marie Claire magazine from 2006 to read. While thumbing through it I found an article about the Darren Mack murder case, "Murder in Reno". It is written by a local journalist from Reno who was familiar with Darren Mack and his wife. Not surprisingly I found a reference to both of their involvement in Landmark Education. A
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16 years ago
Zorro
Jack, Good posting. I hope a lot of people read it.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
Zorro
QuoteVic-LucUseful Failures. Are you someone who tried something and it didn’t work, and you learned something in the failure that was very useful in forwarding subsequent actions? If so, we want to hear about those “failures”—what was the failure, and what difference did it make? How did it support your own development as well as future endeavors? How can it support the future contributions of o
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16 years ago
Zorro
For me it took about a month for mine to blow up after I took the Landmark Advanced Course. But we have been off and on ever since. She's one of the reason I left Landmark, she made me take a hard look at what was going on with me. If it hadn't been for her I might still be wrapped up in it. As far as a time frame to realize what was going on and get out. It took me several months of
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
Zorro
Just goes to show that they don't tolerated people that can think for themselves. I wonder if they are going talk to the person about "getting complete" with regards to the "act" the person is obviously running!
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
Zorro
If you just can't get enough of Landmark and need a further break from reality you can always do this: But of course you need to have completed the Wisdom Course, definately not for your average tapped out broke ass Lekkie! Check out the Cruise! Imagine being hole up on a ship in the middle of the ocean for seven days with a ship load of Lekkies! I wonder if the Captian will ha
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16 years ago
Zorro
Get a load of this: I don't whether to be concerned or nausiated? Kind of spookie to me, I wonder it it pertains to their Landmark 2020 agenda? In order to attend this thing you can't be an average Lekkie! Oh no, you must have completed the "Wisdom Course" in order to attend. I would love to be a fly on the wall at this event.
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16 years ago
Zorro
QuoteCult SchmultI understand not liking it when someone changes but isn't all free will? I look at the prices of these LGAT's. If someone spends $1000 there and also leaves you for someone else or spends $1000 on vacation and leaves you for someone else, is Princes Cruiselines a cult too? Is it mind control sci-fi or just life the world over? It's not free will and it's
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16 years ago
Zorro
You know given the whole Monty Python blip and it's imagery. I'm really surprised they didn't throw in some Pink Floydd "The Wall" clips.....Oh wait a minute that particular Pink Floydd is about rebellion against thought control!!!! Something Landmark wouldn't want to convey.....
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16 years ago
Zorro
QuoteJaredDCI've known quite a few people in my life who have gotten the assistance of professional psychotherapists. None of them ever seem to have actually gotten better.Quote People can have different results. Also like with anyone offering a service, some are going to be better than others. I for one got excellent professional help about a year before I got into Landmark and got an iss
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
Zorro
Quotenotmuch4gamesThanks Zorro, that helped. But what I still can't comprehend is why people who have been victims of LGAT seem to use the CDs that they come home with to trigger the feelings and goals that were emplanted in them at the training.(i use the term training losely) They can be almost back to their normal selves and then they hear a song that the group played at a low point, or h
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
Zorro
JaredDC, I'm going to tell you straight up. Don't do it. It is not worth the time and money you spend on it. Yes they do have people that have people that are "respected" saying that it's a good thing. But let's look at that closer, have you ever heard of those people before? Also, be street smart about this, ANY organization can find people that will say good
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16 years ago
Zorro
Quotenotmuch4gamesI have been following you guys for a couple of days now. Some very good info on this thread. I have a question-please give me some imput so I can understand how it works..... Can someone tell me exactly how LM uses hypnosis on it's victims? Is there music, or some other trigger that they send recruits home with to "remind" them of their goals? There is not an
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16 years ago
Zorro
QuotecaligariIt became absolutely clear to me this morning that Landmark uses hypnosis during the Forum, Advanced Course, and Advanced Communications Course. Those are the three that jump out at me. I realized this because yesterday I learned a mechanism for Hypnosis. I'm surprised that hypnosis isn't brought up more in discussing Landmark and it's methods, particularly in journ
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16 years ago
Zorro
QuoteelenaThere have been long term victims who have written about a separate or parallel "self," awareness, or consciousness hidden away from the cult "self" that quietly records the real truth and acts as a dump or repository for all the doubts, questions, skepticism, humor, and other un-cult-like thoughts or impulses. They describe this awareness as something they attempt
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
Zorro
I figured they were using hypnosis after I left Landmark and especially after reading about the stuff in Louis Samway's book. It was only this morning that I was able to identify the exact method and mechanism. One thing for sure it will be hard as hell to unwittingly hypnotise me using those particular techniques again. Plus now that I know how they work I can now interrupt the process.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
Zorro
It became absolutely clear to me this morning that Landmark uses hypnosis during the Forum, Advanced Course, and Advanced Communications Course. Those are the three that jump out at me. I realized this because yesterday I learned a mechanism for Hypnosis. The mechanism used in the Fear Exercise in the Forum is very similar to the one I learned about. Pretty good way of instilling fear into ind
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
Zorro
QuoteelenaQuoteZorro Very well put Ellen you pretty much summed up what happens to a person in Landmark when looking back at the experience and now in my case from the outside. I can identify exactly what your talking about. I am so very sorry this has happened to you Zorro. I blame myself and all the other people who should have fought harder and been more persistent in getting the word
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
Zorro
Quoteelena I don't think you could point to a specific instance that anything Werner Erhard or his followers have done compares to what the scientologists have done but, at its core, the Landmark programs are designed to destroy a whole sub-set of people in certain ways beneficial to Werner and to his organisation. They are designed to make people dependent and fearful in psychologically ma
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