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bakkagirl
Yes, they absolutely do. Happy to report that a very senior coach (with admitted Landmark connections) was deemed not worth listening to, after a whistle stop tour of Asia. Business leaders attended these sessions to learn more about coaching, and were, AS USUAL, ordered to engage in certain 'exercises' -- how you 'learn' about coaching. Many walked out. As with NVC,
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
6 days ago
bakkagirl
Golly, the more things change, the more they remain the same, NLP, magical cures, the targeting of celebrities.
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10 days ago
bakkagirl
How to Sell a Pseudoscience by Anthony R. Pratkanis from Skeptical Inquirer Volume 19, Number 4 (July/August 1995): Pages 19-25. Notes and references removed; refer to original for these. Every time I read the reports of new pseudosciences in the Skeptical Inquirer or watch the latest "In Search Of"-style television show I have one cognitive response, "Holy cow, how
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10 days ago
bakkagirl
I am picking up the fiduciary duty cudgel again, and wondering if it might not be useful to compare how other professions charter and pay individuals who are serving in fiduciary roles. I am wondering, for instance if the ABA, or the APA uses volunteer labor in compliance-related roles. This seems to be a Landmark innovation. I am wondering, too, how many dupes would line up to voluntee
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11 days ago
bakkagirl
Indeed. I think the Church of Scientology pioneered this technique, but other organizations have perfected it. On a related note, it occurs to me that this is 'why' one should NEVER involve oneself in ANY so-called professional organization, or organization related to personal or professional development that has built itself on 'volunteer' labor, and, a) because of t
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12 days ago
bakkagirl
'Grandiosity' is the operative term. What's not to like in many of the things they talk about? But this is the 'bait' you mention. In my experience, the moment one questions the feasibility of these grandiose visions, one is placed in the "subversive person" camp. WHAT, you don't care about women!?! WHAT, you don't want world peace!?!
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12 days ago
bakkagirl
kdag, What I see in your posts and those of so many others who have reported on their Landmark experience is: 1) behavior (of leaders) that is characterized by secrecy and subterfuge -- what you see, or what you are told,is NOT what you get. 2) covert agendas, and the manipulation of the agendas of individual participants, meaning the 'promise' is that participants will attain
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13 days ago
bakkagirl
Thanks for sharing, corboy... I think that many of these 'assessment' instruments need to be carefully examined. I am kinda partial to MBTI, or think that it is less toxic than some of the others. Frankly, I think EQ, or EI, (Emotional Intelligence), the research and related assessments REALLY NEED TO BE TAKEN A LOOK AT. bakka
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14 days ago
bakkagirl
On the quality of conversations, coaching conversations, event presentations, on indoctrination vs. education, and Duper's Delight -- I attended a succession of professional conferences in the coaching field, which were nothing more than studies in Duper's Delight. Sociopaths and Narcissists enjoy the art of duping, or the art of conning or whatever verb you want to inject.
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15 days ago
bakkagirl
corboy, Agree 100% on the need to establish, or re-establish clear fiduciary duty in the field of coaching. Your post also caused me to think back to the difference between monological, and dialogical relationships with stakeholders: end-users, buyers, coaches, and communities. These feedback loops have to be open for a field to correct itself. Way TOO many personalities, gurus, TED TAL
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15 days ago
bakkagirl
The manufacture of snake oil is a very lucrative business. If one never define one's terms or ground one's position in research, there is room to keep tweaking the recipe. I have seen this done up close and person in consulting firms, also known as halls of duping delight.
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16 days ago
bakkagirl
corboy, I need your counsel, and that of anyone else who is interested. Question: What does one do when one is trying to run a professional practice group according to at least a few of the values and guidelines outlined above, and in walks an NLP'er, or a guy who wants to talk about Jackels and Giraffes, and BELIEVE ME, they are on a MISSION, will not take facilitation as an answer.
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16 days ago
bakkagirl
See my comments below ;-): corboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A few modest proposals. > > Corboy suggests that a healthy discipline > is based on principles rather than personalities. Roger, check that! > What are the results? Can the results be > replicated by others and in different settings? Measurable, can be validated, che
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17 days ago
bakkagirl
corboy, Thank you so much for providing these resources. Of the Janov quotes you provided, these stood out for me, and vis a vis our discussion about respectful communication, and with regard to the positioning and agenda of the 'therapist'. "I took a seminar with Perls (and with Rogers, as well), and I was struck by the theories that psychologists construct that seem to evo
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17 days ago
bakkagirl
kdag, I really appreciated your commentary, which I think well captures the escalating coercion you, and probably others, experienced in that organization. To me, 'artifice' and 'subterfuge' are key features of Landmark culture. What one sees on the surface is clearly NOT what one gets at the deeper levels. The persona of Werner Erhard seems very contrived to me, and
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18 days ago
bakkagirl
kdag, What you have described is a magnificent arsenal of coercive and abusive psychological techniques calculated to savage the target's self. I would assume the designation of "hard case", in fact, describes individuals who refuse to have their ego boundaries breached. I do not doubt one 'word' of what you have related here. Just to confirm, you are saying th
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18 days ago
bakkagirl
corboy, If that is the case, I am delighted to hear it. I understand Perls spent his last few years at the Esalen Institute communing with fellow cerebral narcissists. Riddle me this: How many cerebral narcissists does it take to screw up multiple generations? A few years back I found this great website that was selling action figures of famous philosophers. I have been thinking t
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18 days ago
bakkagirl
Listen to the master, Fritz Perls, in action. You know, people used to make fun of this 'quackery', but that was when people had sense.
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19 days ago
bakkagirl
In preparation for this holy mission, I dug deeper into NLP, its origins, and features. I thought this Skeptoid piece was good in terms of the author's linking of NLP to Fritz Perls', 'aggressive' therapeutic style. I wonder if this is what what appealed to Bandler, as he transcribed tapes of Perls' sessions, what he, Bandler, 'heard', and with his colle
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23 days ago
bakkagirl
While reviewing Walter1963's work on NLP, this caught my eye. He wrote: "It happened to me when I took a 3 day NLP seminar in 1995 and at the end of the 3 day seminar I found myself signing up for their 21 day $2500.00 "NLP practitioner certification program", ironically enough it was right next door to a EST seminar. And during the 21 day course, I was regularly bombarded
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27 days ago
bakkagirl
corboy, I have been thinking more about the sock puppet arts, and the est arts, and also about what YEAR it is, 2018, right? I find this kinda curious because in my field, things are generally in a constant state of flux, or change, with new approaches coming on-line, almost before we can come up-to-speed on the old ones. Let's see, Marshall Rosenberg produced his 'technolog
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29 days ago
bakkagirl
corboy, I am surprised at your impudence! Our HERO could not possibly have prostate problems. Does God even have a prostate? I highly doubt it. And, ditto for the teeth, plumbing, toilet paper and any other corporeal concerns. Our God went clear, post-corporeal on that ride cross the Golden Gate Bridge. bakkagirl
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29 days ago
bakkagirl
OK, interesting. What I have experienced in working with coaches who I now believe to have been involved with Landmark, or Landmark-style training is that our discussions rarely seemed to relate to the practice of coaching, or, rather, and to be more specific, how coaching related to specific client needs, or could be applied in a specific cultural setting, or organization. It would be too
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29 days ago
bakkagirl
kdag wrote: So the author of this article says that there is no dogma, but it felt to me as if there was, because your "possibilities " had to be approved by other Landmark people, and the "possibilities" they approved of had a tendency to fall within certain Landmark parameters. These were not necessarily things that inspired me. which speaks directly to a conversation
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29 days ago
bakkagirl
kdag, I caught that one, too. Granted, to accomplish many goals we have to find ways to enlist the help and energy of others, but I don't think this is what Werner was describing. Given the behavioral history, his, it seems more like he is describing his own unboundaried, and narcissistic ego's need to entangle others in himself. I think if you look at some of his 'allege
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29 days ago
bakkagirl
I had not seen this paper posted before. I think the author nicely addresses the quasi- or not even, religious aspects of est/Landmark. Bakkagirl
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30 days ago
bakkagirl
Further to this, Treating others as 'things', or circuits to be programmed has to constitute the ULTIMATE expression of VIOLENCE. bakkagirl
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