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bakkagirl
Based on corboy's reference materials, am going to suggest that you do not need something called LGAT to effect thought reform. Any team can work pretty well: corporate leadership team, community organization, service group, business network, academic body. In retrospect, I first saw LGAT techniques used by facilitators tasked with gaining consensus of a global network of small busines
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
3 days ago
bakkagirl
Dear Forum Members, It occurred to me that in all my years in realm of professional development, executive education, I have yet to see an "informed consent" released used with clients. At most I have seen simple contracts that disclose to coaching participants what information can be shared with their organizations. That's it. So, we are really talking about a whole othe
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
3 days ago
bakkagirl
corboy, I am going to throw something into the mix, here, and I ask readers to take it for what it is worth. I have been frequently disturbed by some techniques I have seen utilized in OD (Organization Development) interventions. The generally relate to top down decisions made to change organizational behavior. Best practice OD would have such decisions being made unilaterally or with ful
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
3 days ago
bakkagirl
kdag wrote: As I do, I am looking for motive here. Would the possible motive be "collateral," to keep people in line? It seems to me that maybe, after people have shared this stuff, they would later regret doing so. It might feel to them as if it is hanging over their heads. Now the company "has something" on them. If they later discover other unethical practices by the com
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
3 days ago
bakkagirl
corboy wrote (only half jokingly): So here is some food for thought. Corboy is only half joking. If you are in a line of work where you are likely to encounter demands for intimate self disclosure/self criticism, have an action plan. etc, etc., etc., Folks, I am hard-pressed to think of a line of work that legitimately requires "intimate self disclosure/self criticism".
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
4 days ago
bakkagirl
Hi, lurky, Please contact me via PM about this. Cheers! Bakkagirl
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
4 days ago
bakkagirl
krag wrote: "I don't doubt that. They seem to be experts at formulating these things." I am a somewhat smart person who operates in a theater of extremely smart people, and owing to this experience, I do not think for ONE moment that the encylopedia-selling, used-car selling W.H. contrived, on his own, what was unleashed on this world. I've watched his vids...his pres
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
4 days ago
bakkagirl
corboy, A first, impressionistic, response. Was hit by the word, "interrogation". Coming out of legal services, this is a familiar term; one designs 'interrogatories, one conducts depositions, one reviews responses to 'interrogatories'. That said, I cannot think of one deposition that began with, "I cannot believe you said THAT !!!" So, let's
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
4 days ago
bakkagirl
I have never been involved in formal LGAT, or something I can easily identify as that, BUT, I have seen these techniques employed in organizations that purported to be about values that were EXACTLY opposite to what we are considering, here. I will give your question deep reflection, and will respond in due course.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
4 days ago
bakkagirl
No, not exactly...corporations are massively regulated. It is not so easy to turn them into fascist states... I am saying that management teams can be infiltrated and influenced,...nothing more than that.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
4 days ago
bakkagirl
kdag, I think we have to consider that LGAT has been modified for the corporation. Corporate officers, and individuals with ANY organizational power will not put up with being told to not to take their medications; with undue interruptions of sleep cycles, etc. But, in my humble experience, most humans, however powerful, are quite vulnerable to the charismatic leader (in this case, the fac
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
4 days ago
bakkagirl
kdag, Yes, and I go back to my corporate cudgel. Let's imagine "attack therapy", or let's call it "attack consulting" is being used in the context of corporations, say, with a management team. The administrator would not only gain control of an individual, ala Raniere, but a firm, and, potentially, very large firms.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
5 days ago
bakkagirl
Not sure if this resource had been previously posted in the CEI forum, but, I found it quite interesting.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
5 days ago
bakkagirl
lurky, I have a similar interest, but wish to review and compare Landmark course content and that of a Landmark-generated coaching entity. I am happy to share with you what I am able to surface. Would be extremely interested in all you learn about NXIVM, Sterling, LifeSpring, as well. bakkagirl
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 days ago
bakkagirl
Yes, indeed, corboy. The same people who are attracted to manipulation technologies are attracted to mass marketing these. Sucker born every minute. On another front, I met with a Senior HR director this AM. We agreed that the ICF had pretty much destroyed coaching in the market (the world's third largest economy); just incinerated it. Almost impossible to undo what they have do
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
6 days ago
bakkagirl
Yes, and thanks for the correction.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
6 days ago
bakkagirl
I have to confess that it has never occurred to me to use a 'technology' to influence or coerce other people. Tend to think that at least some of the people who are attracted to Landmark, and its "coaching cult" progeny, find the manipulation of other people appealing. They seek this power. I am bombarded, daily, with messages from 'coaches' selling 'succ
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
7 days ago
bakkagirl
Well, you have both answered my question even though you did not touch on the corporate world. I still wonder what is the psychological 'glue' in these guru'less cults. I am guessing that the glue is the group dynamic. In my own case, I can say I have seen significant changes in the personalities of colleagues who participated in "coach training" with certain entit
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
7 days ago
bakkagirl
corboy, I worked in legal services for many years, and can tell you that if a dastardly act can be done, there are people out there who will find a way to do it. I will pose another scenario for you. Let's suppose a CEO is working with a 'coach' and that coach has won his/her trust, and over time. And, lets imagine that, that CEO is at his/her wits end, owing to a certain
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
7 days ago
bakkagirl
I mean't "kdag" in last response, light is poor where I am working. Question: if they have been weaponized, who/what are they serving? No real guru figure...at least that I am aware of.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
7 days ago
bakkagirl
Thank you corboy, and rdag, You are both responding to this question as first persons, and I get that MEMBERS confidentiality is not protected. What I am talking about, though, are these people operating as 'coaches' in corporations, in NPO's, in government, in all the places coaches work. THIS IS MY CONCERN.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
8 days ago
bakkagirl
Thinking about this a little more, a person who has been inducted into a cult, is thinking cultically, would ALWAYS place the interests of insiders above those of outsiders. This is WHY it is so dangerous when cults like NIXVM develop 'executive development' programs, or programs that penetrate into other organizations. There would be NO BOUNDARIES, whatsoever. Always, too, t
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
8 days ago
bakkagirl
The coaching 'contract', written or tacit is dependent on confidentiality. We assure our clients that what is said in the coaching relationship can only be shared with their permission. My biggest concern, since becoming aware of the linkages between LGAT groups and the executive coaching world relates to conflicts of interest coaches may experience. Would the kind of group loyalty
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
8 days ago
bakkagirl
My question is: Do you think a 'coach' trained in the context of program that utilizes LGAT technologies could be trusted to maintain his/her client's confidentiality. How likely do you think it would be that this information, what was confided in coaching conversations would be shared inappropriately. bakkagirl
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
9 days ago
bakkagirl
"Flores prompts Tomas, "Follow the script, exactly as it is written": Assessor: , ; . Person assessed: , thank you for your assessment. I appreciate your sincerity. I would like to have further conversations with you about the topic." Flores comes out of that wonderful IT and linquistics background that produced NLP. He is striving to reduce his participants to
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
9 days ago
bakkagirl
Yes, indeedee, kdag, And, the same goes for 'coach training', as in, "we are all gathered here to share 'our' experience and insights", and, "NOW, LET ME TELL YOU HOW TO DO IT!!!" "Did you have a question, SHUT UP!" "Did 'I' just recommend a practice that controverts what I have been saying for 20 years, NONE OF YOUR BUS
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
9 days ago
bakkagirl
Thank you for this confirmation, kdag. Consider this, that organization paid a huge fee to subject it management team to a Landmark program. I wonder if Flores had members of the board sign waivers. I wonder if any of them 'popped'. bakkagirl
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
10 days ago
bakkagirl
Here is a Fast Company article describing how Fernando Flores 'coaches' a management team. I imagine it will rings some bells with est or Landmark participants.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 days ago
bakkagirl
You wrote: "I read the link, which goes to a W.E. explanation of est. I didn't see how it tied in to drug use, or his associates. Maybe you can clarify that." Sorry I was not more clear. It seems to me that W.E. frequently sought to give est credibility by associating himself with academics in the context of of public speaking events, or by writing papers or books with acad
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 days ago
bakkagirl
For a guy who forbade aspirin consumption during est training, W.E. kept interesting companions. LSD subcultures: Acidoxy versus orthodoxy. V Gioscia - American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, 1969 - psycnet.apa.org Participant observation and interviews in San Francisco, New York, and London make it possible to present some of the distinguishing characteristics of the LSD and therapy subcul
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